Whats wrong with just using sub

ninjadog · Post by **ninjadog** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 4:44 pm

Seems to me older dubstep was more sub bass based, while newer definetly had more mids and the trend seems to be that it's going higher all the time.

IMO it might have to do with people making it to sound good on all systems including ipods and shitty little speakers. Maybe it was just breaking the mold of only using lows? At the end of the day I like my bass low or mid, if it's good, it's good.

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 4:53 pm

absolutely nothing at all:

and please note that this one isn't 'chill' at all.

silentk · Post by **silentk** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 5:00 pm

ninjadog wrote:Seems to me older dubstep was more sub bass based, while newer definetly had more mids and the trend seems to be that it's going higher all the time.

IMO it might have to do with people making it to sound good on all systems including ipods and shitty little speakers. Maybe it was just breaking the mold of only using lows? At the end of the day I like my bass low or mid, if it's good, it's good.

Best example of this i can think of

Doctor p - sweet shop

louds of high frequincy in there but it's still a tune imo (even though im not a massive fan of that kinda stuff)

studio dread · Post by **studio dread** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 6:14 pm

I'm the other way round. I've got into the habbit of just having sub and using other sounds to roll along with the bass. Coming from a reggae background i much prefer groove over hype noises.

Sharmaji wrote:absolutely nothing at all:

and please note that this one isn't 'chill' at all.

Really anoying when people refer to subby stuff as "chill" or whatever. No it's not. You're listening to it wrong

nitz · Post by **nitz** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 6:19 pm

Noting, i use just sub and its fine, no problem. Its rare i will use anything else other then a sub.

narcissus · Post by **narcissus** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:53 pm

mid range isn't a cop out, you can still have a lot of musicality.

humancond1tion · Post by **humancond1tion** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 10:53 pm

I reckon it is good to have some sort of mid range harmonics in there so that it is listenable on all mediums, for example people who are listening to your tunes on laptop speakers (which will be the majority) will not be able to hear your bassline if it is solely sub frequencies...

When producing you have got to think about the accessibility of your music and taking the time to listen to your tracks on different sound systems, in the car, on shitty laptop speakers, your track should sound as phat on trebly crap speakers as it does on a huge rig.. not all of your listeners are going to have top spec monitors or subwoofers, so that is definitely something to bare in mind when producing tracks.

studio dread · Post by **studio dread** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:07 pm

humancond1tion wrote:I reckon it is good to have some sort of mid range harmonics in there so that it is listenable on all mediums, for example people who are listening to your tunes on laptop speakers (which will be the majority) will not be able to hear your bassline if it is solely sub frequencies...

When producing you have got to think about the accessibility of your music and taking the time to listen to your tracks on different sound systems, in the car, on shitty laptop speakers, your track should sound as phat on trebly crap speakers as it does on a huge rig.. not all of your listeners are going to have top spec monitors or subwoofers, so that is definitely something to bare in mind when producing tracks.

I don't think its right to say that about a genre like dubstep which came about as sound system music. Its main feature is heavy bass. It was never meant for laptop speakers!

djake · Post by **djake** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:49 pm

^^^ agreed!

vw63notch · Post by **vw63notch** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:56 am

agree

legend4ry · Post by **legend4ry** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:16 am

humancond1tion wrote:I reckon it is good to have some sort of mid range harmonics in there so that it is listenable on all mediums, for example people who are listening to your tunes on laptop speakers (which will be the majority) will not be able to hear your bassline if it is solely sub frequencies...

When producing you have got to think about the accessibility of your music and taking the time to listen to your tracks on different sound systems, in the car, on shitty laptop speakers, your track should sound as phat on trebly crap speakers as it does on a huge rig.. not all of your listeners are going to have top spec monitors or subwoofers, so that is definitely something to bare in mind when producing tracks.

Bollocks mate, I have a pair of £17 headphones and they go down to 40hz - now they're not great for producing on but they sound GREAT for just listening to music - so saying "for the laptop crowd" is bollocks, infact, even my misses who doesn't care about the how music sounds (as in, a big system doesn't impress her) uses headphones instead of laptop speakers as they're even to bad for her to listen on...

If you can afford X amount of hundreads on a laptop, a pair of headphones won't bust the bank, plus its not even about monitors or a sub when you're talking about LISTENING, infact I mix and make most of my music for the gang sitting at home with headphones on. If that closes my potential market by 90% I couldn't care less cause at least my audience is actually experiencing my track to its fullest content!

Sounds like people are trying to cash in.

Money < Love/Passion

cloak and dagger · Post by **cloak and dagger** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:27 am

most people I know listen to music on laptop speakers / shitty ipod headphones / cheap computer speakers

grooki · Post by **grooki** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 3:26 am

Most of my tracks are mainly sub.

I would try and add some harmonics to make the sub more present, but the idea of adding midrange to make it audiable on laptop speakers etc is just lame imo. It's sub music, designed for good speakers... I guess maybe this is a discussion about the mainstreaming of dubstep? Not that if you have mid range then you are nessessarily mainstream, but that if people are delibrately making tracks with lots of mid range to have wider appeal then that is a "mainstreaming" (or whatever you want to call it).

studio dread wrote:I'm the other way round. I've got into the habbit of just having sub and using other sounds to roll along with the bass. Coming from a reggae background i much prefer groove over hype noises.

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Really anoying when people refer to subby stuff as "chill" or whatever. No it's not. You're listening to it wrong

yep

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 5:05 am

studio dread wrote:I'm the other way round. I've got into the habbit of just having sub and using other sounds to roll along with the bass. Coming from a reggae background i much prefer groove over hype noises.

Sharmaji wrote:absolutely nothing at all:

and please note that this one isn't 'chill' at all.
Really anoying when people refer to subby stuff as "chill" or whatever. No it's not. You're listening to it wrong

Some people still think ALL dubstep is chill music. I don't agree with that but at the same time, what's wrong with chillin out to music? I could chill and listen to some Metallica getmi. Anyway I thought the point of dubstep was that we have listened to the fast repetitive beats for so long we really don't need that anymore to get down. The point just goes zinging over peoples heads, even this scene.

The Phantom Banger · Post by **The Phantom Banger** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:05 am

what i really like & am currently trying to make is sub, yet the occassional growl coming through gives darker vibes

back2onett · Post by **back2onett** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:16 am

if I had a good tune with just a sub and I liked it I wouldn't add mids to make it sound good on any sound system, I'd add it because it makes it sound better otherwise I'd just leave it out

phrex · Post by **phrex** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:55 pm

Whats wrong with just using sub

nothing!?

phrex · Post by **phrex** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:58 pm

grooki wrote:Most of my tracks are mainly sub.

I would try and add some harmonics to make the sub more present, but the idea of adding midrange to make it audiable on laptop speakers etc is just lame imo. It's sub music, designed for good speakers... I guess maybe this is a discussion about the mainstreaming of dubstep? Not that if you have mid range then you are nessessarily mainstream, but that if people are delibrately making tracks with lots of mid range to have wider appeal then that is a "mainstreaming" (or whatever you want to call it).

studio dread wrote:I'm the other way round. I've got into the habbit of just having sub and using other sounds to roll along with the bass. Coming from a reggae background i much prefer groove over hype noises.

...

Really anoying when people refer to subby stuff as "chill" or whatever. No it's not. You're listening to it wrong
yep

mate, maybe you haven't read it, but i played your track electron out.... the whole place was shaking!!! BIG TUNE! you def know how to use the sub!

ninjadog · Post by **ninjadog** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 3:54 pm

Funny thing is, isint dubstep is known for not following rules, yet when it makes a change it seems like it breaks it's own "rules".
Personally hearing dubstep on a system that makes you feel your bass is definitely the way it was meant to be heard...or felt or whatever. I guess since it is gaining mainstream popularity some mainstream production methods will be applied.

stappard · Post by **stappard** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 4:06 pm

I dont use midrange bass because I'm not very good at it..

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