Is this just an 808? (Macc where are you?)

[Depone]

this thread makes me face-palm so hard.

Imho, It sounds like a second kick is being layered on top. A subtle punchier kick that blends well with the 808

[serox]

this thread makes me face-palm so hard.

Imho, It sounds like a second kick is being layered on top. A subtle punchier kick that blends well with the 808

I gave up with the compression ideas people were saying and just went back to a lp 808 with a 909 on top of it. I had tried this before but with a different mix it works better.

I dont see how compression would change the shape of the hit but I could be wrong.

[Depone]

this thread makes me face-palm so hard.

Imho, It sounds like a second kick is being layered on top. A subtle punchier kick that blends well with the 808

I gave up with the compression ideas people were saying and just went back to a lp 808 with a 909 on top of it. I had tried this before but with a different mix it works better.

I dont see how compression would change the shape of the hit but I could be wrong.

using a compressor you can seriously modify the transients of the hit. Raise the attack quite high, so that the initial hit is pushing through before the compression engages. Try with a medium to hi ratio and low threshold of an extreme example of this.
I do this all the time for hats and kicks for example. Sculpting your sound

[serox]

using a compressor you can seriously modify the transients of the hit. Raise the attack quite high, so that the initial hit is pushing through before the compression engages. Try with a medium to hi ratio and low threshold of an extreme example of this.
I do this all the time for hats and kicks for example. Sculpting your sound

Spent hours on it and I couldn't do anything apart from increase/decrease the db levels with it.

Maybe the compressors that come with FL are shit?:)

[Depone]

using a compressor you can seriously modify the transients of the hit. Raise the attack quite high, so that the initial hit is pushing through before the compression engages. Try with a medium to hi ratio and low threshold of an extreme example of this.
I do this all the time for hats and kicks for example. Sculpting your sound

Spent hours on it and I couldn't do anything apart from increase/decrease the db levels with it.

Maybe the compressors that come with FL are shit?:)

By letting transients through... the DB will raise, because the transients are popping through the compression stage before it activates. you said you wanted more punch, this is one way to achieve it. Its not just increasing or decreasing db levels like you would with a fader.

[serox]

By letting transients through... the DB will raise, because the transients are popping through the compression stage before it activates. you said you wanted more punch, this is one way to achieve it. Its not just increasing or decreasing db levels like you would with a fader.

Yeh I get that but from what I have achieved when trying this I dont seem to get an increase in the punch area, just the whole thing:(

[Depone]

By letting transients through... the DB will raise, because the transients are popping through the compression stage before it activates. you said you wanted more punch, this is one way to achieve it. Its not just increasing or decreasing db levels like you would with a fader.

Yeh I get that but from what I have achieved when trying this I dont seem to get an increase in the punch area, just the whole thing:(

is 'autogain' off?

[serox]

is 'autogain' off?

no idea, not seen that I dont think

[sully_harmitage]

compression will DEFINATELY get more thump out of your 808 (though won't necessarily make it sound like It's Yours)
i never got on well with the fruity loops compressors
this one is much more in your face...
http://www.audiodamage.com/downloads/pr ... pid=ADF002
you don't need to go crazy on the threshold/ratio beacuse it's quite extreme
if you cant hear a difference, you're not using it right.

[serox]

compression will DEFINATELY get more thump out of your 808 (though won't necessarily make it sound like It's Yours)
i never got on well with the fruity loops compressors
this one is much more in your face...
http://www.audiodamage.com/downloads/pr ... pid=ADF002
you don't need to go crazy on the threshold/ratio beacuse it's quite extreme
if you cant hear a difference, you're not using it right.

that a vst? will check it out. No doubt the compressor that comes with FL is pants but it was making no difference at all:/

[paradigm_x]

using a compressor you can seriously modify the transients of the hit. Raise the attack quite high, so that the initial hit is pushing through before the compression engages. Try with a medium to hi ratio and low threshold of an extreme example of this.
I do this all the time for hats and kicks for example. Sculpting your sound

this

thats all it is, a shaped 808...

long attack, let the kick thru, then high ratio to keep all the rest at the same level w long release, or as long as the decay anyway.

Try changing the start point of the sample to get more of a punch, starting off a zero crossing...

[serox]

using a compressor you can seriously modify the transients of the hit. Raise the attack quite high, so that the initial hit is pushing through before the compression engages. Try with a medium to hi ratio and low threshold of an extreme example of this.
I do this all the time for hats and kicks for example. Sculpting your sound

this

thats all it is, a shaped 808...

long attack, let the kick thru, then high ratio to keep all the rest at the same level w long release, or as long as the decay anyway.

Try changing the start point of the sample to get more of a punch, starting off a zero crossing...

It is not that I dont think.

If you listening closely or check on an analyzer you can see/hear that it has more hit at the start of the hit, more punch. An 808 does not have this at all.

[Depone]

using a compressor you can seriously modify the transients of the hit. Raise the attack quite high, so that the initial hit is pushing through before the compression engages. Try with a medium to hi ratio and low threshold of an extreme example of this.
I do this all the time for hats and kicks for example. Sculpting your sound

this

thats all it is, a shaped 808...

long attack, let the kick thru, then high ratio to keep all the rest at the same level w long release, or as long as the decay anyway.

Try changing the start point of the sample to get more of a punch, starting off a zero crossing...

It is not that I dont think.

If you listening closely or check on an analyzer you can see/hear that it has more hit at the start of the hit, more punch. An 808 does not have this at all.

Your really not getting it...
your modifying the 808 to make it have the punch...

[sully_harmitage]

yeah its a vst
as i recall it loads on quite a stonking preset so you should notice the difference instantly
like depone said, for the sound you want, a slow attack (150ms ish) is gonna provide the thump

[serox]

long attack, let the kick thru, then high ratio to keep all the rest at the same level w long release, or as long as the decay anyway.

Is this all on a compressor?

[sully_harmitage]

^^
yes.

also subtle distortion (before compression) will help bring out some higher harmonics which make the sound 'harder'.
too much and you'll be in gabber territory

[serox]

your modifying the 808 to make it have the punch...

Obviously

[serox]

oh and subtle distortion (before compression) will help bring out some higher harmonics which will sound harder.
too much and you'll be in gabber territory

Will give this vst a go and will try some others!

Thanks.

[Depone]

Just an example. Turn the speakers up. this is just to illustrate the transient shaping using a compressor
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4549702/808%20compare.mp3

[Sharmaji]

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long attack, let the kick thru, then high ratio to keep all the rest at the same level w long release, or as long as the decay anyway.

the punch in this case is really gonna be decided by the release.