Hoovers.......

[Disco Nutter]

I've got a Massive patch somewhere around here and it's not bad for starting up.

I can up it somewhere if somebody wants?



Jason

[futures_untold]

FOR FUCKS SAKE PEOPLE, DO YOUR DAMN RESEARCH AND STOP CONFUSING HOOVERS AND REESES!!!!!!!!!

Took the words straight out of my mouth....

While it is easy to confuse a Hoover with a Reese, they are not the same.

Example of the Hoover - Human Resource - Dominator (1991)
Example of the Reese - Kevin 'Reese' Saunderson - Just Want Another Chance (1986)

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Technical differences between Hoovers and Reeses

1> Hoovers are made exclusively from a pulse (square) wave. Reeses are made traditionally from a saw wave.

2> Hoovers are created by changing the actual shape of a pulse/square wave on the fly within the oscillator. Reeses are made by introducing phase cancellation via detuning the pitch of two saw waves.

3> Hoovers aren't typically filtered and are used 'raw'. Reeses are low pass filtered giving a 'warm' sound. Even before filtering, Reeses don't sound the same as Hoovers.

4> The Hoover has a pitch drop over the course of each note. A Reese remains at the same pitch for the duration of each note.

Tutorial: How to make a Hoover

1> To make your own Hoover, you need a synth capable of pulse width modulation. (Tal Elek7ro has pwm and is available for free).

2> Set your synths oscillator to pulse/square.

3> Assign an LFO to the pulse width control of the pulse/square wave oscillator

4> Assign an ADSR envelope to the pitch of the oscillator and invert the envelope direction. (The pitch of a hoover typically drops over the course of each note played).

Let's recap:

The 'detune two sawtooth waves' technique doesn't make a Hoover, it makes a Reese. Reeses sound like a warm sub bass.

Hoovers use pulse width modulation (pwm) to achieve an 'aliens taking over the world' type sound.

More info on the Hoover can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_sound
More info on the Reese can be found at http://www.dnbwiki.com/index.php/Reese

Pwm on saw waves hmmmm... .

Now here's the interesting bit.

Wavetable synths like NI Massive, Vember Audio Surge and FAW Circle enable users to modulate the width of each wavetable.

By introducing phase distortion to a wavetable, one achieves 'width modulation'!

For some technical reading, visit http://www.electricdruid.com/index.php? ... dsynthesis followed by http://www.electricdruid.com/index.php? ... jects.lfo9 (or any other page in the 'information' section).

In summary, ditch the analog synths and embrace digital synthesis methods like wavetables! Your Hoovers will sound more varied...

[futures_untold]

Editorial note, Hoovers kick ass while shitty Reeses and digi basses suck your nans pum.

Grab your wavetable synths and make some fresh sounding Hoovery shyt brothers...

Thanks for listening

[th@-pu$$y]

remove mud with a notch filter in your synth around the 500hz area
sounds nice with two in series the other higher up
also add some slow lfo mod to filter cut with smallish range for some subtle movement, works nice with different speed pwm

^^this

add a little noise for a little crisp

This is the sound that I was looking for. cheers on the notch filter. I think that was the missing piece of the puzzle for me.

[deadly_habit]

anyone have a micron? i can post up sysex for hoover and mentasm i made

[mt eden]

pwm, sub osc + chorus + pitch bend

[narcissus]

can't say i've used more than 1 hoover sound ever... they're just frikkin dated is all

Funny how this comes from the guy with an Acid House avatar

ain't no acid house symbol!

it's just a smiley face
cuz i'm happy
get it?

plus what's wrong with acid house? i love that shit

[ResetTheAtari]

Just get Juno x2. Or sample Dominator

[deadly_habit]

whatthe?