just a question to militant anti cackstep people

[decsterity]

why hello there.

i was just thinking on this forum there are a few militant anti cackstep anti wobblers or whatever people. personally i don't mind a bit of it, bit of everything depends what's good because theres a shit load of bollocks out there.

anyway what i'm gettin at is, it seems a bit confusing somtimes because lets say for example Skream, who has made a lot of songs with a halfstep beat with a wobble sound melody put over it and then every once in a while tweaks the saturation or somthing to make it sound a bit different, e.g wibbela, or what did he say. I mean i do love wibbela don't get me wrong and i'm not having a dig at skream, but lets be honest if somone like I dunno Caspa made that tune or any of these other wobble producers, would you not think that tune was shit? Cos somtimes it comes accross like some people hate certain producers just because they are really popular and mainstream.
But if Skream who is well respected does a bit crushed tune which probably didn't take thaaat much creativity lets be honest, that's ok, but if somone like funtcase or any of these other type producers make a tune like that they would easily get slated on here.

just seems well confusing. Also people get slated for calling it "dub", which is kinda fair enuf it does piss me off a bit. but skream has a tune called dubaholic, where hes saying "my names oliver and im a dubaholic", that's ok but if bloody datsik or whatever did that now he would get a 20 page thread.

somtimes it's just confusing with the militant sorts.

discuss?

[wheelchairprince]

I think it's because Skream also makes tunes like 'one for the heads who remember' or 'summer dreams', he's diverse. Perhaps its my fault for being switched off by what I have heard but I doubt Funtcase (the childish name doesn't help either) or Borgore make anything with any degree of subtlety. I'm not a fan of wibbela but it doesn't bother me because Skream (or Benga or whoever) will also come out with something else that I'll really like.

I'd like to know the average age of a Borgore fan, I really can't see it being anything more than 19.

[tomre]

Question is not for me, as the thread title says. I like some of this, some of that sometimes. Just good music.

BUT the thing I want to say is, Skream's music has some dub. Datsik's music hasn't. Point.








Aaaaand... I'm certainly not one of the people only watching the big names, instead of, but I heard one of Skream's last live sets, and that was massive, no doubt.
Heard some mixes of Datsik for example and the first one was for me a surprise, I liked it. But it's music that bores me very very fast.

[noam]

i think the main point is about the style being best done as part of a wide variety of music that a producer makes- not being done to death because the producer simply can't make anything different, innovative or original

just producing more extreme versions of the same tune gets boring quickly, im not a fan of skreams really wobbly tunes, but the fact he makes sooo many different types of tunes to a high standard and is innovative aswell means he can be one of my favourite producers, datsik, excision whatever, do not do this, hence for me i can say i dont like them, then theres the datsik replicants, who aren't as good, aren't as original and aren't fit to be compared to the top producers

[bigbasha]

put in work!!!!!

enough with the shortcuts already

if someone has been there done that (skream), they can either come across as creative/original or they can just do the same old thing cause they usually do it just as good, if not better.

[south3rn]

it's got nothing to do with wobbles

it's how they're used

[Pistonsbeneath]

it's all about the overall contribution isn't it really..

the early stuff you could call dub as it was an extension of dub culture...whereas in your face throwaway shit has nothing whatsoever to do with dub

[dj 2e]

it's all about the overall contribution isn't it really..

the early stuff you could call dub as it was an extension of dub culture...whereas in your face throwaway shit has nothing whatsoever to do with dub

^^^this^^^

pistons knows the score

[brasco]

it's all about the overall contribution isn't it really..

the early stuff you could call dub as it was an extension of dub culture...whereas in your face throwaway shit has nothing whatsoever to do with dub

^^^this^^^

pistons knows the score

[bigbasha]

you get the wrong idea when you think dub is only refering to dub/reggae
dub versions come in many genres...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dub_music
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubstep

dubstep came from dub versions of garage and other styles, it's not like it was just reggae with dub versions, although dub did come from jamaican producers and reggae...

dubstep is not dub/reggae, or a dub version of anything, please call it dubstep.

[Pistonsbeneath]

you get the wrong idea when you think dub is only refering to dub/reggae
dub versions come in many genres...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dub_music
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubstep

dubstep came from dub versions of garage and other styles, it's not like it was just reggae with dub versions, although dub did come from jamaican producers and reggae...

dubstep is not dub/reggae, or a dub version of anything, please call it dubstep.

i think people know that mate...just the samples used referring to dub are from dub reggae and dub culture(in the older stuff)

not sure what you mean but dub versions of garage tracks...the phrase dub was originally used to refer to the recording process but later meant dub as in dubplate or unreleased...maybe im wrong but i dont think all garage had vocals in the first place

[mc wayne]

Rusko & bbc Radio1 are killing teh scene.

[claw]

[test_recordings]

Rusko & bbc Radio1 are killing teh scene.

They might've contributed but it's everyone that bought in to it that killed it! I reason that the reason the general gobal dubstep output is 'mash/wobble' is because of the media coverage given to the junk. I do think there's good material about it's just less prominent as there's a greater proportion of lesser stuff about. I pity the fools that play out the flatbeat crap in ignorance

[bigbasha]

you get the wrong idea when you think dub is only refering to dub/reggae
dub versions come in many genres...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dub_music
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubstep

dubstep came from dub versions of garage and other styles, it's not like it was just reggae with dub versions, although dub did come from jamaican producers and reggae...

dubstep is not dub/reggae, or a dub version of anything, please call it dubstep.

i think people know that mate...just the samples used referring to dub are from dub reggae and dub culture(in the older stuff)

not sure what you mean but dub versions of garage tracks...the phrase dub was originally used to refer to the recording process but later meant dub as in dubplate or unreleased...maybe im wrong but i dont think all garage had vocals in the first place

not sure if you're on the same planet really cause i couldn't understand what you're trying to tell me, but i would say you obviously didnt read those and never have.


a dub version is a rework of a tune, it could be a non vocal version, if it was a vocal track. usually is... versions & dub versions come side by side, they are usually sold together, along with the instrumental or 'riddim'.

when more and more dub versions of garage & 2-step were being created it brought about another genre called dub-step. kind of like reggae was to dub, garage/2-step was to dubstep. hence, the whole idea of dubstep brought about a resurrection of original 'dub/reggae' tactics like echoes and reverb for example. that's why people think dubstep is so closely knit with dub/reggae. in reality, it's just the pioneers of dubstep had brought back the wholesome idea that dub was when it first appeared back in the late 60s... and used it to enhance their genre at the time and help create a new one.

pistonsbreath, i agree dubstep was an extension of dub culture, but it was not called dubstep simply because "the samples used referring to dub are from dub reggae and dub culture(in the older stuff)"

so again, use dubstep, not dub. it's a genre that has applied dub to itself so much, that it's been closely associated and rooted with dub's foundational ideas.

and nobody has killed dubstep or destroyed dubstep, it's all about what you put your focus on. proper sound is still out there, stop acting like it's not... find it & promote it.

at least that's my take.

[bigbasha]

double post

[bigbasha]

x2

lol

[Pistonsbeneath]

you get the wrong idea when you think dub is only refering to dub/reggae
dub versions come in many genres...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dub_music
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubstep

dubstep came from dub versions of garage and other styles, it's not like it was just reggae with dub versions, although dub did come from jamaican producers and reggae...

dubstep is not dub/reggae, or a dub version of anything, please call it dubstep.

i think people know that mate...just the samples used referring to dub are from dub reggae and dub culture(in the older stuff)

not sure what you mean but dub versions of garage tracks...the phrase dub was originally used to refer to the recording process but later meant dub as in dubplate or unreleased...maybe im wrong but i dont think all garage had vocals in the first place

not sure if you're on the same planet really cause i couldn't understand what you're trying to tell me, but i would say you obviously didnt read those and never have.

a dub version is a rework of a tune, it could be a non vocal version, if it was a vocal track. usually is... versions & dub versions come side by side, they are usually sold together, along with the instrumental or 'riddim'.

when more and more dub versions of garage & 2-step were being created it brought about another genre called dub-step. kind of like reggae was to dub, garage/2-step was to dubstep. hence, the whole idea of dubstep brought about a resurrection of original 'dub/reggae' tactics like echoes and reverb for example. that's why people think dubstep is so closely knit with dub/reggae. in reality, it's just the pioneers of dubstep had brought back the wholesome idea that dub was when it first appeared back in the late 60s... and used it to enhance their genre at the time and help create a new one.

pistonsbreath, dubstep was not called dubstep simply because "the samples used referring to dub are from dub reggae and dub culture(in the older stuff)"

so again, use dubstep, not dub. it's a genre that has applied dub to itself so much, that it's been closely associated and rooted with dub's foundational ideas.

and nobody has killed dubstep or destroyed dubstep, it's all about what you put your focus on. proper sound is still out there, stop acting like it's not... find it & promote it.

at least that's my take.

*sighs*

oh americans

one day they will get sarcasm

mate i was there you werent unless you moved from croydon...i know dubstep isnt dub ffs....i was merely saying the reason its so blatantly not referring to "garage dub" is because dubstep has many dub vocal/toasting/studio one documentary samples...it's not directly referring to anything but dubstep refers more to dub as in the original dub than anything else...i know it's called dubstep and i cringe when someone asks me to play commercial dub like mt eden ok?

i was merely defending to the OP the use of the word dub (outside of track names such as anti-war dub..such and such dub etc etc) in samples and when skream says his names oliver and hes a dubaholic....you are entering into a discussion with a desire to educate when it isnt needed in this case...im 29 years of and have shitloads of scientist/pablo/tubby/burning spear/morgan heritage/mad professor/sly & robbie etc etc etc on vinyl as well as old jungle, garage etc...why must people have to post a thesis every time they make a comment on here

I know

[bigbasha]

i havent followed you on here, but you're def a big poster. on top of that, i can tell you have a lot of knowledge...

honestly, i just couldnt understand what you were saying. i think you implied too much, and kind of came across as a noob.

i'm just having a go at the fact that people call dubstep, dub... its usually the bandwagoners, but it's getting old and it's really bluring things imo.

[whitelight]

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