Grime DJs play dubstep, why don't Dubstep DJs play grime?

[Fukhed]

Plenty of Grime DJs use dubstep tunes in their sets. The two genres are very close to each other, with a similar emphasis on bass and very similar BPM ranges: so why don't Dubstep DJs play more grime?

DJ JJ does it to great effect here: http://hedmuk.blogspot.com/2010/04/dj-j ... k-mix.html

Aside from Plastician, there are few Dubstep DJs who will do it (other than playing the 'Next Hype' remix, of course): why?

[Jak The lad]

There's more then just Plastician dropping grime, although it's the kind of 2nd tier dj's doing it rather then the 'main' djs.

[Fukhed]

Examples...

[steshine]

Hessle Crew; BenUFO and Ramadanman play plenty.

Oneman plays lots.

It's the new breed of "future garage" people who are playing alot.

It's not that uncommon

[DZA]

Brackles...

[Fukhed]

Not that aware of the future garage DJs playing that much grime, even so: it doesn't really answer the question of why dubstep DJs aren't doing it.

Also, I have to disagree with your Oneman suggestion, having seen him play out on a few occasions and also having listened to his Rinse Mix (tracklisting: http://hedmuk.blogspot.com/2010/02/rins ... neman.html).

Would be open to seeing/hearing some examples, though.

[plastician]

I rode into this topic on my high horse..... hahaha big up for noticing I still play grime.

My sets are actually about 50/50 grime and dubstep right now due to a surge in good grime production and a dip in original dubstep production.

Listen to this weeks podcast, shit loads of good music from Rudekid, Silencer, G Tank, D Double E, P Money etc.

[Fukhed]

Everyone knows you still play grime, Plastician! And huge respect for doing so, aswell.

The grime scene, particularly in terms of production, is so exciting right now: hence the above question.

[prisoner]

a lot of it has to do with the lines being blurred.

i've always maintained that guys like Joker, Starkey, Gemmy, Guido, (and alot of Untold's newish stuff) etc are making grime instrumentals influenced by dubstep. and that because "dubstep" labels are releasing them they've fallen under the "dubstep" umbrella. nothing wrong with that really though.

but yeah like Plastician said there's been loads more good "traditional" grime productions lately. id say the past few years there really hasn't been much as everything turned to doing mixtapes instead of putting out instrumental 12"s. but recently there's been a lot more stuff that is really good and more easily available.

[plastician]

Problem for a lot of DJ's is, that because of the nature of a lot of grime's listener base, producers are less likely to give DJ's exclusives to play on their shows as they're all scared their stuff will get leaked.

Works out well for me though its pretty much impossible to get something exclusive from dubstep producers because there are so many dj's playing it

[plastician]

And I also totally agree about the comment on Joker, Gemmy, Guido, Starkey. It's closer to grime than dubstep and barring guido I met all these guys when they were playing grime pretty much solely in their sets.

[__________]

I play a little grime. If its a good track at the right tempo, I don't care what its called.

[fractal]

a lot of it has to do with the lines being blurred.

i've always maintained that guys like Joker, Starkey, Gemmy, Guido, (and alot of Untold's newish stuff) etc are making grime instrumentals influenced by dubstep. and that because "dubstep" labels are releasing them they've fallen under the "dubstep" umbrella. nothing wrong with that really though...

this, same as how dubstep is now trying to fall under the "future garage" label when dubstep was future garage the whole time

[MAJIK]

I play grime in my dubstep mixes... not always, but i don't always vind the perfect tunes for it...
but I'm realy getting more & more into it... !!

[fused_forces]

We play a nice ammount of grime in our sets, we still make it (we have a vocal grime & hip hop mixtape due out this summer) & grime is our roots as producers.

T_! from Macabre Unit still plays alot of grime in his sets too.

Nuff props to Plastician, he been bridging the gap between the 2 since... well as far as i can remember.

I think the mixture between the 2 in a set keeps it interesting.

[cb1mandem]

yess stician big set on monday as always!!!

and i think alot of dubstep dj's do drop grime, there is onli a very thin line between dubstep and grime as it is atm.
alot of wat is produced cud b classed as either its watever the producer wants 2 call it.

AND YESS!!! T! IS A BAD MAN DJ BARE DUBSTEP AND BARE OLD SKL GRIME!!!

STINK LIKE SOCK JST OVER A WEEK AWAY
DAY AFTER FWD @ MATTER IM GNA B FUKD BY SUNDAY!!!!

[blackdown]

We make and play grime - alongside other styles - never stopped from the times of "Oi" and "Eskimo."

[unlikely]

I've been playing out for 5 years and always dropped a healthy amount of Grime, along with other garage derivations. There's always been a group of people within dubstep who've highly rated and represented grime as well.

[DZA]

http://www.divshare.com/download/10621330-26d

Tracklist

Sticky + More Fire Crew - What's The Point
Slevarance & Hackman -You And Me (Kowton's Anti-Gravity Remix)
Dexplicit - Shut It Down
Agent X - Nasty Bonanza
Low Deep - Cheeky Violin
Plasticman - Still Tippin [Instrumental]
Pay As You Go - Know We
Fauxhemian - Space Port 426
SRC - Goomba
Blackjack - Arcade 3
Big-E-D - Frontline (Terror Dnajah's Creepy Crawler Mix)
Ruff Sqwad - Anna (Instrumental)
Wiley - Fire Fly
Dj Wire - Believe Me Remix
Pay As You Go Crew - Champagne Dance
Contakt - Not Forgotten
IMP Batch - Gype
Jammer - Fire Hydrant
Emalkay - Missile
Wonder - What
Social Circles - Paccman
Jon E Cash - Still Heavy
Jan Driver - Rat Alert
DJ Oddz - Blade Runner
Dizzee Rascal Vs. Musical Mobb - I Love Pulse X
J Sweet - Kerb
Blackjack - Oh Yes
Hackman & Slevarance - You And Me

http://www.divshare.com/download/7985474-f2f

Alias-Gladiator
Jon E Cash - War
Musical Mobb- Pulse Y
Jon E Cash - Kettle
Plasticman -Cha
Jon E Cash - Invasion Vip
Dizzee Rascal - Go
Dj Wonder - What
Alias - Warriors
Wiley - Eskimo
Dizzee Rascal - I Luv U (Instrumental)
Wiley - Ice Rink
Wizzbit - Jam Hot
Wiley - Morgue
Dizzee Rascal - Hoe (Mac 10 Remix)
Jon E Cash - Hoods Up
Big Shot - Stomp
Big E.D. - Frontline (Creepy Crawler Mix)
Mr Slash - Concerto Riddim (A.R.M.Y)
Unknown
Wiley - Igloo Remix
Wiley Eskimo 2 (Devils Mix)
Dj Dreddy - Invade
Davinche - Jam Hot Remix
Wiley - Shanghai
Bossman - Bongo Eyes 2
Bruza - Brusin' (Instrumental)
Skepta - Esco Big Bars (Instrumental)

Might aswell plug abit

[Fukhed]

I think it's healthy, and by the looks of things it's happening more and more thanks to a greater understanding of the origins of this sound we call dubstep.

This is what it is to me:
http://www.mixcloud.com/fukhed/the-marchtape/
http://hedmuk.blogspot.com/2010/03/fukh ... h-mix.html

Kryptic Minds - Badman
Youngsta & Seven - Masai Mara
Double S - Pot Full Of Gold
Jakes - 3kout
Cluekid - '09 Lick
Frisco - Skengman Mode (feat. Chipmunk & Double S)
D1 - Jus' Business
Benga & Skream - Amber
Benga & Skream - The Bug
Distance & Benga - Chokehold
Benga - Buzzin'
Donaeo - Riot Music (Skream Remix)
Doctor P - Sweet Shop
Frisco - Raising Levels (feat. Macksta)
Mungo's Hi-Fi - Wikidness (feat. Brother Culture) (Tes La Rok Remix)
Lethal Bizzle - POW! (Forward Riddim)
Gemmy - Wata Down Sound
Dizzee Rascal - Stop Dat