Any point in writing dubstep in 6/8 ?

[symmetricalsounds]

Don't suppose anyone could explain time signatures?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=time+signatures

[Assassin]

No those time signatures are impossible. Plus isn't any signature that has an exact ratio ie 4/4 6/6 8/8 exactly the same?

[deadly_habit]

i released a couple of tracks that switch from 4/7 to 7/7 on twenty twelve last year. time signatures are fun

Umm, 4/7? Is that even possible?

venetian snares writes in 7/4 time to time

[Assassin]

i released a couple of tracks that switch from 4/7 to 7/7 on twenty twelve last year. time signatures are fun

Umm, 4/7? Is that even possible?

venetian snares writes in 7/4 time to time

7/4 is very possible. 4/7 is not. You can't give an odd number as the second part of a signature.

[teqh]

i released a couple of tracks that switch from 4/7 to 7/7 on twenty twelve last year. time signatures are fun

Umm, 4/7? Is that even possible?

venetian snares writes in 7/4 time to time

7/4 is very possible. 4/7 is not. You can't give an odd number as the second part of a signature.

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also, i think writing beats in odd time signatures for the sake of it isnt going to improve your tunes

[staticcast]

i released a couple of tracks that switch from 4/7 to 7/7 on twenty twelve last year. time signatures are fun

Umm, 4/7? Is that even possible?

venetian snares writes in 7/4 time to time

Yeah, but that's not 4/7.

4/7 = "four seventh notes per bar" --------> "seventh notes" don't exist, neither do 6th notes. Time signatures are all (any number)/(1, 2, 4, 8, 16 or 32).... but almost always (any number)/(4 or 8 ).

@Assassin: 4/4 and 8/8 have bars of the same length but imply a different feel - in 8/8 you'd count eighth notes, in 4/4 you'd count quarter notes.

I suppose if you wanted to get pedantic about it, most halftime dubstep is actually in 4/2....

[Assassin]

i released a couple of tracks that switch from 4/7 to 7/7 on twenty twelve last year. time signatures are fun

Umm, 4/7? Is that even possible?

venetian snares writes in 7/4 time to time

Yeah, but that's not 4/7.

4/7 = "four seventh notes per bar" --------> "seventh notes" don't exist, neither do 6th notes. Time signatures are all (any number)/(1, 2, 4, 8, 16 or 32).... but almost always (any number)/(4 or 8 ).

@Assassin: 4/4 and 8/8 have bars of the same length but imply a different feel - in 8/8 you'd count eighth notes, in 4/4 you'd count quarter notes.

I suppose if you wanted to get pedantic about it, most halftime dubstep is actually in 4/2....

That's clarified what I thought. I've had arguments with metalheads that "write" in "4/3" and "7/5", with them trying to tell me insane notes exist.

It's just people trying the sound clever.

[Isturite]

4/7?!

but ya Eskmo has some crazy time signatures in his music sometimes... or check out Eskamon - fine objects.... haven't figured out what time signature(s) that is yet, crazy ass song

[nitz]

Check out this bad boy track from Coleco:

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[deadly_habit]

i released a couple of tracks that switch from 4/7 to 7/7 on twenty twelve last year. time signatures are fun

Umm, 4/7? Is that even possible?

venetian snares writes in 7/4 time to time

Yeah, but that's not 4/7.

4/7 = "four seventh notes per bar" --------> "seventh notes" don't exist, neither do 6th notes. Time signatures are all (any number)/(1, 2, 4, 8, 16 or 32).... but almost always (any number)/(4 or 8 ).

@Assassin: 4/4 and 8/8 have bars of the same length but imply a different feel - in 8/8 you'd count eighth notes, in 4/4 you'd count quarter notes.

I suppose if you wanted to get pedantic about it, most halftime dubstep is actually in 4/2....

That's clarified what I thought. I've had arguments with metalheads that "write" in "4/3" and "7/5", with them trying to tell me insane notes exist.

It's just people trying the sound clever.

metal and alot of live band work has tempo and time signature changes which can be a bitch to emulate or recreate drum tracks for when working in a daw. why i love cubase's tempo track etc
still trying to get to grips in pro tools. making yourself sound like a real live band in edm is great, but difficult to do properly. def a fuck the dj do it for the listener thing too

[sully_harmitage]

some practical advise:
if you want your tune to be realistically mixable,
don't use 1/8 notes in the intro, only crotchets.
or write the intro in 4/4.

haha at 4/7. thats straight out of Spinal Tap.

[staticcast]

some practical advise:
if you want your tune to be realistically mixable,
don't use 1/8 notes in the intro, only crotchets.
or write the intro in 4/4.

haha at 4/7. thats straight out of Spinal Tap.

Disagree, I find it much easier to work out how the two tracks are sitting when there's smaller beat divisions than crotchets... to each their own!

[jaydot]

I only produce dubstep at 4s and 8s for hats or snares that come in at just after a kick, I tried doing at at 1/16 and it sounded like a bad dance track.

[ketamine]

Don't suppose anyone could explain time signatures?

[green plan]

So if I'm writing a tune in 6/8, what speed does it need to be written at to be mixable with (for example) 140 BPM 4/4? How can they be mixed together and stay in time. If 6/8 is six quavers a bar (which is equivalent to 3 crotchets), and 4/4 is four crotchets a bar, this means that each full bar of the 6/8 tune will only take three quarters of the time it takes for the 4/4 bar to cycle. So do you write the 6/8 track slower? Or do you have do ambient mixing? Or some amazing awesome other thing I haven't yet stumbled onto.

Sorry if that doesn't make sense, have been trying to figure it out for the past few days and feeling pretty stuck.

[ajfa]

4/4 at 140bpm will have the same length bar as 6/8 at 105bpm I think...? So if you mix a 4/4 triplet feel tune with a 6/8 105bpm it should work if your mixing is tight.

[green plan]

4/4 at 140bpm will have the same length bar as 6/8 at 105bpm I think...? So if you mix a 4/4 triplet feel tune with a 6/8 105bpm it should work if your mixing is tight.

So would every 2 bars of the 6/8 tune take the same amount of time as 1 bar of 4/4?

1 & a 2 & a 1 & a 2 & a

1 2 3 4

[rez pez]

bigup wagawaga

[Assassin]

4/4 at 140bpm will have the same length bar as 6/8 at 105bpm I think...? So if you mix a 4/4 triplet feel tune with a 6/8 105bpm it should work if your mixing is tight.

So would every 2 bars of the 6/8 tune take the same amount of time as 1 bar of 4/4?

1 & a 2 & a 1 & a 2 & a

1 2 3 4

No. It should take a third less time at 105 meaning the bars would be the same length. But at 140 it should go:

1 & 2 & 3 & 1 &(6/8)
1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &(4/4)

so basically the first beat starts on the four on the first bar. But obviously this would continually change.

So:

1 & 2 & 3 & 1 & 2 & 3 & 1 & 2 & 3 & 1 & 2 & 3 & (6/8)
1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & (4/4) (I do know this shouldn't be counted as 1/8 notes before someone gets pedantic but it's easier to type.)

So if the snare was put on the third 1/4 note as normal it would land on the third, the second, the first and the fourth before coming back again. Which I guess doesn't make it impossible but it would be a challenge.

However at 105 (6/8) mixing into 140 (4/4) it would be more of a triplet feel. For example:

1 & 2 & 3 &
1& 2& 3& 4&

Therefore it should mix well into a song with a decent triplet feel. But it also means that the third will fall late so it could still be difficult, unless you garage it up a bit.

[Sharmaji]

4/4 at 140bpm will have the same length bar as 6/8 at 105bpm I think...? So if you mix a 4/4 triplet feel tune with a 6/8 105bpm it should work if your mixing is tight.

So would every 2 bars of the 6/8 tune take the same amount of time as 1 bar of 4/4?

1 & a 2 & a 1 & a 2 & a

1 2 3 4

No. It should take a third less time at 105 meaning the bars would be the same length. But at 140 it should go:

1 & 2 & 3 & 1 &(6/8)
1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &(4/4)

so basically the first beat starts on the four on the first bar. But obviously this would continually change.

So:

1 & 2 & 3 & 1 & 2 & 3 & 1 & 2 & 3 & 1 & 2 & 3 & (6/8)
1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & (4/4) (I do know this shouldn't be counted as 1/8 notes before someone gets pedantic but it's easier to type.)

So if the snare was put on the third 1/4 note as normal it would land on the third, the second, the first and the fourth before coming back again. Which I guess doesn't make it impossible but it would be a challenge.

However at 105 (6/8) mixing into 140 (4/4) it would be more of a triplet feel. For example:

1 & 2 & 3 &
1& 2& 3& 4&

Therefore it should mix well into a song with a decent triplet feel. But it also means that the third will fall late so it could still be difficult, unless you garage it up a bit.

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