Timbaland biting Dubstep?

selector.dub.u · Post by **selector.dub.u** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:42 pm

numaestro wrote:ez - I was answering Parson - the thread sort of changed the line of conversation.

I have never seen Timbers on TV or talking about this stuff to be honest. Think he's made some good music - that's all I know.

America is a profoundly religious country cos of its history and stuff - no?
Like I say it sometimes seems a bit hypocritical that "badmen" wack on about God - but given the state of the world not gonna lose sleep about it - seems bit of a piss take that's all

Btw - has timbers done rock production?

LOL -sorry didn't realize that. I was also just trying to answer your question -I hope I didn't come across as a dick.

There are parts of the US that are religious and parts that are not. Part of it is due to history and part of it is for reasons I don't know.
As for badmen and God and hypocrisy- I dont know at least they are saying they do bad things -better than to act all religious and act like a person who never does bad tings -imo.

I don't know if timber has done rock production.

peace bro
BTW love your beats!

rickyricardo · Post by **rickyricardo** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:48 pm

numaestro wrote: Btw - has timbers done rock production?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timbaland_ ... iscography

Doesn't look like it.

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:50 pm

i'd like to see how a crowd that big would react if tim dropped benga's dominion and said he done it

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:51 pm

they'd be mopping the floor for weeks cleaning up all the spontaneous ejections of bodily fluids

tone.def · Post by **tone.def** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:53 pm

it's questionable weather timbaland was influenced by d&b, but he definitely influenced UKG. now it appears maybe he's influence by dubstep which came from UKG anyway.

thing is, even if he's never heard a single "dubstep" tune, southern hip-hop producers have been doing the slow half-time beat for a long fucking time. pre-dating "dubstep." i've been saying this forever. the production techniques and sensibilities are so similar, so it's imposible to tell who's "biting" who.

marsyas · Post by **marsyas** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:54 pm

sounds like an old traxster production back in the day when he was producing for twista...bass heavy, dramatic hip hop beats.

anyways !!!

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:56 pm

yes i see there could be a case for tim's lawyers to say he's never heard dubstep

it would just make more sense if he was secretly tuning into radio1

selector.dub.u · Post by **selector.dub.u** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:58 pm

One word:
Africa

slowlygoingdeaf · Post by **slowlygoingdeaf** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:01 pm

hes got into trouble recently over him jackin a computer game tune by a couple finnish guys, or something similar

selector.dub.u · Post by **selector.dub.u** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:03 pm

slowlygoingdeaf wrote:hes got into trouble recently over him jackin a computer game tune by a couple finnish guys, or something similar

So is timbaland a sucky producer cuz of this?

marsyas · Post by **marsyas** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:08 pm

slowlygoingdeaf wrote:hes got into trouble recently over him jackin a computer game tune by a couple finnish guys, or something similar

old news

maybe it was one of his gost producers ?

bowzer · Post by **bowzer** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:08 pm

slowlygoingdeaf wrote:hes got into trouble recently over him jackin a computer game tune by a couple finnish guys, or something similar

this one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4KX7SkDe4Q
edit and here's his reply... which his ego is pretty apparent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATkHbfbQAc4&NR

hate recordings · Post by **hate recordings** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:13 pm

slowlygoingdeaf wrote:hes got into trouble recently over him jackin a computer game tune by a couple finnish guys, or something similar

http://timbalandtempest.ytmnd.com/

timbaland is the new puff daddy...

except timbaland obviously isnt paying for ripping someone else's work.

im all in favor of sampling, im a huge fan of it. most music i listen to is sampled from other people's work. however, most of this music contains mostly 6 second or less clips that are altered and cut up and played in different order. this timbaland mess is a blatant ripoff and i think it's a shame that no one is doing anything about it.

the main problem is that the guy who wrote it probally never had it copyrighted. he obviously distributed it and somehow it ended up in timbaland's hands (who is probally also a closet-geek who plays commodore 64 games on an emulator and looks at kiddie porn on the weekends).

being that there was probally no copyright, there is probally no case and the song the guy wrote for the videogame will probally be considered public domain or something like that.

fuck timbaland. he can suck it.

-ps- dont think timbaland is ripping off dubstep. i do however think he's marching in the same steps as outkast. this guy obviously has sold his soul to satan.

slowlygoingdeaf · Post by **slowlygoingdeaf** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:19 pm

it depends - all rza did for cream was loop the first 6 seconds of the charmels "as long as ive got you". straight looping, i dont think he added anything to it at all.

doesnt change the fact the beat is nice, just means you cant give the rza credit for it as you would otherwise.

but with timbo i think he didnt think anyone was going to find out where he got the loop from.

tee2006 · Post by **tee2006** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:19 pm

The UK most certainly aren't imitating Timbaland. It's blatently the other way around, although he doesn't just rape English sounds. He gets his geek on and takes from all over the place. It's cool, and inevitable in any creative person, but log your sources.

I don't think he'd ever say he doesn't like Dubstep. More likely is he'll say he doesn't know what it is. Surely that would make him look even better (in his eyes).

The only thing I don't see is the DnB stealing people say he did. I don't think I've heard a DnB Timbo track...?

Selector, what hate is it you don't get? None of the posts before you are hating. This is just observation innit.

Tim's good at what he does, but it's worth pointing out that he's a bit of a Dr Dre, with a big team behind him. He released quite a lot of shit with some guy called Mango, and there's a different right hand man doing all the work on this new album.

Finally, it's disgusting that anyone should compare Timbaland to Puff Daddy. That's like saying Skream is the new Steps or some shit. As much as you hate or love Timbaland, leave Diddy outta this.

PPS. Outkast are the shit. They aint sold their soul to no1.

marsyas · Post by **marsyas** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:23 pm

somehow it ended up in timbaland's hands (who is probally also a closet-geek who plays commodore 64 games on an emulator and looks at kiddie porn on the weekends).

thats low dude.

shnyde · Post by **shnyde** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:40 pm

I actually really like Timbaland and his production skills, used to have to listen to Missy Elliot with my bird bare but got into it as i though 'these are some sick beats'

anyway I think dubstep is biting timberland http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t ... timberlake

tone.def · Post by **tone.def** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:43 pm

Tee2006 wrote:The UK most certainly aren't imitating Timbaland. It's blatently the other way around

UKG producers were most certainly influenced by Timbland, and more broadly hip-hop and r&b which obviously originate from the US (along with funk, disco, techno, house and every other genre that influenced and informed british club/urban music and culture). everybody should just get comfortable with the fact that musical influences cross back and forth between the US and UK all the time. saying timbaland stole that beat is ridiculous, considering US hip-hop producers in the south were making beats like that over a decade ago. that half-step beat did NOT originate with dubstep.

tee2006 · Post by **tee2006** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:58 pm

I'm more than comfortable with influences being taken from every direction but it seemed like mans were suggesting UK heads solely ripped off Timbaland. Timbaland ISNT US Hiphop and RnB. He's one man making music which fits into those US genres.

dublinstep · Post by **dublinstep** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:00 pm

Tee2006 wrote: I don't think he'd ever say he doesn't like Dubstep. More likely is he'll say he doesn't know what it is. Surely that would make him look even better (in his eyes).

yep. better to make it look like he created it from his own head rather than admit to being influenced by other music. i'd say he definitely know what is going on over in the uk, sure look at lady sovreign making a bit of a name for herself over in the us, there's no way that someone in the music game as a living isnt paying attention to whatever trends or new styles are emerging within bass-driven music... who's to say he doesnt have the rinse stream going right now in his (doubtlessly) bling-tastic mansion somewhere?

timbaland's own stuff under his own name was never great, but a lot of the missy E stuff was really good.

afaik american rappers mostly have nothing but total disdain for uk rap/grime artists. they piss themselves laughing at mc's mc'ing in an english accent.

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