New Directions: 2step, Minimal and Beyond...

spooKs · Post by **spooKs** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:59 pm

4linehaiku wrote:I just want to hear tunes that make me dance like I don't know what I'm doing.

the return of horsepower productions anyone? it's gonna happen this year, i can feel it, and it will shake things up

cody · Post by **cody** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:17 pm

spooKs wrote:
4linehaiku wrote:I just want to hear tunes that make me dance like I don't know what I'm doing.
the return of horsepower productions anyone? it's gonna happen this year, i can feel it, and it will shake things up

benny ill has been reppin in fwd a lot recently. maybe you're onto something there geez

sek [espionage] · Post by **sek [espionage]** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:31 pm

back to this thread again.. gotta say thanks to boomnoise for posting this.

Some sounds I'd like to see explored in 2007.. LWiz's Girlfriend had a pretty interesting halftime thing.. It was actually a 2&4 break with the 2 missing.. leaving a whooooole lota room to chug along before the snare on the 4.. this type of structure could work well for techno influenced stuff.

I love minimal techno and think it's sick that dubstep and minimal are getting so close.. however I'd also like to see other stems of techno influence dubstep also.. namely some gritty detroit electro stuff or miami bass..
Rolland kits, counting hats, vocoder vocals.

I'd also love to see the sound get a bit cheeky again.. I was listening to some older Horsepower stuff and it's goofiness would stick out like a sore thumb against todays darker sound. Skream and Caspa keep it pretty cheeky.. but seams a lot of producers are going for the "dubstep is serious business" tip.
Some call and response chants maybe?

Mostly I'm afraid that "production" will become the deciding factor if a tune is good or not. This is one thing that I absolutely hate about dnb.. the whole sound is mainly built around a producers pissing contest.
When I first got into dubstep.. I loved the simplicity of the production.. no fancy tricks or what not.. the music just gets played if it works. Dont matter what it was made on or how many layers there are to the bass etc..
I always thought of dubstep being a hell of a lot like american crunk music.. people making banging music using next to nothing.

KEEP THIS SHIT GULLY.

I'm sick of hippies claiming dubstep is "ambient" adding me to myspace..

autonomic · Post by **autonomic** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:33 pm

sek [espionage] wrote:I'd also love to see the sound get a bit cheeky again..

sek [espionage] wrote:Mostly I'm afraid that "production" will become the deciding factor if a tune is good or not. This is one thing that I absolutely hate about dnb.. the whole sound is mainly built around a producers pissing contest.

two good points.

sek [espionage] wrote:I'm sick of hippies claiming dubstep is "ambient" adding me to myspace..

i'm sick of people thinking it has to sound 'evil'

sek [espionage] · Post by **sek [espionage]** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:55 pm

autonomic wrote:
i'm sick of people thinking it has to sound 'evil'

ya that too..

How was the show in Ottawa btw.. Tsunami's new mix is HOT. been of repeat for days.

autonomic · Post by **autonomic** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:13 pm

^^ PM'd

municiple · Post by **municiple** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:20 pm

Make the music you love to hear. Everything else comes second.

showguns · Post by **showguns** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:36 pm

autonomic wrote:
sek [espionage] wrote:I'm sick of hippies claiming dubstep is "ambient" adding me to myspace..
i'm sick of people thinking it has to sound 'evil'

YES!

blood_on_neon · Post by **blood_on_neon** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:57 pm

I don't think it has to sound evil, but I generally like music that sounds detatched and alien, like it wasn't made by humans. Imagine hearing '...meets rockers uptown' when it came out. Would've been pretty scary.

pangaea · Post by **pangaea** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 5:14 pm

municiple wrote:Make the music you love to hear. Everything else comes second.

Aye. 'Keep It Real', as Master P once said to Louis Theroux.

I'd like to see more 2-steppy swing and more techno influences this year too, and it'll be great if producers and DJs push this a bit harder. Hell, I'd like to hear completely new stuff that I wasn't expecting to hear!

But this is all up to the producers and DJs at the end of the day. There's no obligation to dedicate yourself to music that doesn't interest you. The 'I'm getting bored of...' can get a tad annoying when the people harping on about it aren't doing anything about it themselves.

dj phonetic · Post by **dj phonetic** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 5:48 pm

I want some more minimal influenced sounds.

would be great

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 6:12 pm

I have a funny feeling that when non name producers do something different it's fround on, or at least looked upon with suspicion. Where as if the same track were made a an established producer it would be welcomed with open arms.
Just a thought.

kion · Post by **kion** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 6:15 pm

metalboxproducts wrote:I have a funny feeling that when non name producers do something different it's fround on, or at least looked upon with suspicion. Where as if the same track were made a an established producer it would be welcomed with open arms.
Just a thought.

Very true thought, although at the same time, the established producer might put their idea across better than an unknown less experienced producer, even though the ideas may be as fresh.

ewah · Post by **ewah** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 6:27 pm

I haven't been living and breathing dubstep for long enough to have the long perspective most of you've got but the thing that struck me straight away was how broad it is. You've already got a canon of producers and tunes that stretch from Burial to Skream to DMZ to Pinch to D1 and that's some pretty diverse styles already. And the last few weeks I've been at FWD - every week has been really different. The Benny Ill night was totally different to Benga the following week, which was totally different from Skream and Newham Generals last week.

To me, as a newcomer, that looks pretty fresh. Plus the past seems to get eaten up to create something new - there's none of this fetishising the past and putting it on some museum shelf. It's all food for new tunes. In my humble... of course.

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 6:29 pm

KION wrote:
metalboxproducts wrote:I have a funny feeling that when non name producers do something different it's fround on, or at least looked upon with suspicion. Where as if the same track were made a an established producer it would be welcomed with open arms.
Just a thought.
Very true thought, although at the same time, the established producer might put their idea across better than an unknown less experienced producer, even though the ideas may be as fresh.

Yes your right. This does in some way explain why the less expirienced producer may be uncomfortalbe with putting a fresh idea across and resort to pumping out a tried a tested sound.
My thoughts goto Mala's left leg out (which i think is good). If this track had been made by one of the forum producers i don't think it would have got the response it has. The track in no way resemble the "typical" dubstep sound. House/Garage/Techno yes. This is not to say the track isn't good it's just that it is easier to accept becuase it was done by a name producer. It's a lot easier for a name producer to go out on a limb (did you see what i did there) and for the results to be accepeted by the public then it is for an unknown to do the same.

Probably gonna get shot down for this. Ahh what ever

intoccabile · Post by **intoccabile** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:22 pm

^^^^^ I agree.

parson · Post by **parson** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:26 pm

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:34 pm

So as an unknown producer you have to walk a tight rope. You eather do what is popular and get slated for copying or you go out on a limb and risk being slated for not adhering to a style/sound.
I surpose the argument to this would be. "If your track is good enough it will come through". This is not always the case though.

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:37 pm

Oh yeah big up Boommonster for one of the better threads on the forum for ages...

autonomic · Post by **autonomic** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:39 pm

Yes and no. I understand what you mean and agree to a point. But if the Production forum or one of the newer labels had unleashed anything on a par with 'Left Leg' in the last year I'm positive that a lot of people on this thread (myself included) would have welcomed the freshness and been all over it.

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