DJing nowadays

[skittlenik]

its never about a VDJ mix of youtube rips.

THIS!
I'll happily use vinyls, cd's or even serato. But IMO, vinyl is just the standrd. Too much history bhind it to just blow it away with a program.
This thread will go on forever btw. It pretty much captures the essence of the point of a forum. To get other ppl's views and what not.
At the end of the day, everyone is gonna like different things.

Vinyl FTW!!

[skittlenik]

Vinyl as a tool will live forever, just like a hammer will always be the caprenters number.1 tool, vinyl is still the undisputed best way to control an audiosignal, no matter if the audio is stored on the vinyl itself or on a laptop.

Vinyl as storage media is dead allready, and should be banished the land of oblivion together with VHS casettes, Minidiscs and analogue tapes. It's over.

Sick way of describing it. Nice and simple for all us red-heads out there!

I'm thinkin of startin a thread....Skittles or Fruit Pastilles...which one's are better?? :p

[PapiCholo313]

Anyone ever seen videos of DJ Enferno on youtube? Check him out. He's really pusing the envelope of what a live Dj performance should be when using Ableton or any similar programs.

[Luke Yeah?]

The way i see it there are always going to be those technologies that can stand the test of time, simply because they are extremely good at what they do. Vinyl i feel is one of those from a music collector's perspective and somewhat from the perspective of a DJ. I myself am a vinyl user and have been since switching from CD's about a year ago. For me it is the collecting, control, feel and the culture which add together to make vinyl the format of my choice. Not that i have anything against the other formats, music is music at the end of the day but i feel a vinyl release can somehow add a sense of 'extra' specialness even though the track is exactly the same.

[kizza2435]

I probably havent made this clear but I do manual beatmatch on Traktor: what i am saying is that if it goes wrong then there is always the auto button.

You're doing a good job of it too...

[Basic A]

Everyone knows I can train my PC to mix for me...

as said back a few pages your being a fuckin itunes fader...

fuckin lame...

end of story...

leave it to real djs...

/thread?

[blazey]

All I need now is

[Pada]

Personal preference aside, anyone arguing against digital mediums because 'it does it for you' is a fucking muppet who knows fuck all about djing and likely rocks to a crowd of one in their bedroom nightly.

People used to shit on Photoshop because it put paint on a brush for you.

Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit

I'd rather be amazing at drawing than amazing at photoshop.

Before someone jumps down my neck as I said earlier, I love vinyl, don't have a problem with people who don't.

One of the reasons I buy Vinyl is to stop it dying will be a sad day when it's gone!

[frebentos]

Ive made up my mind, I am converted, you can make fun of me but my mixes will sound better than yours

is that a challenge?

[frebentos]

But thats like saying its not you doing the amazing mixes its your turntables and your mixer. You've still got a computer doing it for you, just a slightly older one. Unless you want to somehow manipulate soundwaves then it is always a computer doing the work, you're just telling it what to do.

this is wrong.

your not telling your decks to do anything, your actually doing it, whereas your keying instructions into your computer.

If you want to take this to silly lengths and say, "well your telling your arms to do it from your brain etc..." then go ahead, I'll concede.

[frebentos]

make fun of me.

I wasn't making fun of you. just rolling eyes at you saying in one breath you've switched to digital then the next coming across upset that vinyl is dying out.

[robsteppin]

Heres how i see it, i dont have a problem with digital djs if theyre playing there own material because thats fair enough not many people will be able to afford £50 a tune. The problem i have with digital djs is that any tom dick and harry can decide i wana dj and they don't need to learn how to mix because they can get the computer to do it for them. So all the vinyl djs who have spent years perfecting their mixing and paying 6 - 7 or even 20quid for their music are getting less recognition. And ive heard way to many digital djs playing shit quality tunes which means they obviously didnt pay for them.

Vinyl djs are putting the money into the industry and i think they should be rewarded for this maybe by tunes being released on vinyl months in advance. When i first got into dubstep the only way to get hold of tunes was to buy them on vinyl, so thats what i done which inturn got me into djing.
The music industry is dying because it went digital, filesharing is killing it. So if tunes were only available on vinyl surely the industry would be able to make money again because i don't know anyone that would pay good money for their music and then give it away for free.

Music is collectable and showing some one your vinyl collection is much more impressive than saying hey look ive got 5000 tunes on my computer.

[_boring]

its impressive having a collection on digi as long as it wasnt just all given to you by someone else in one big dump.

[roshman111]

There's one reason why I'll always buy vinyl records. The sound.

When you go to matters Rinse VS FWD>>. Don't come out tell me you can't hear the difference between N-type/Youngsta sets to Benga and Skream Using CDJs.

N-type had the largest sounding set i've ever heard.

Also I don't understand why the PC side are assuming beat matching is the hardest thing on earth and no one can get it right.

[wilf]

I probably havent made this clear but I do manual beatmatch on Traktor: what i am saying is that if it goes wrong then there is always the auto button.

You're doing a good job of it too...

yeah maybe, but you most of the time:



i know where i'd rather be.

Everyone knows I can train my PC to mix for me...

as said back a few pages your being a fuckin itunes fader...

fuckin lame...

end of story...

leave it to real djs...

/thread?

how tiresome of you, did you not read my last post. i KNOW you can 'train' you pc to mix BADLY for you very EASILY. ANYONE can do it. BUT, you CANNOT train your PC to mix WELL for you, which is where the skill and technique of PC djing comes in to play.
in a nutshell, PC mixes will generally sound a lot better than yours simply because the beatmatching is already done and so there is more innovation etc.
All you are doing is mixing two tunes together, trying, and probably failing, the match the beats up.

I am NOT saying that PC djing trumps vinyl in all categories... its obvious to everyone that the vinyl sound is better, generally tune selection will be more 'vetted' and the dj will be playing something he LOVES etc etc

I just can't figure out why you cant see that apart from whilst learning to dj with vinyl is obviously a lot harder and rewarding for YOURSELF, the product of this learning will not be as good for other people listening to you as if you put the same amount of time into learning the ins and outs of a program like traktor and manipulating it to make amazing mixes. a man whos learnt to dj on traktor for two years will be a lot better to listen to than a man whos learnt to dj vinyl for two years. surely this is a point you cannot deny?

if anyone wants to arrange a vinyl vs traktor mix off then i'm deinitely game

[EBR]

My 2 cents : If you have the choice, its about what tools of the trade you want to use. some world class artists and Djs can get away with using any kind of tool. They have enough talent to bang on pots and its a party.

If you have the choice, A local Dj trying to make an impact is going to have a better time of it offering a product that is made with the best tools available rather than some fast, cheap and easy imitation of that tool. When I go to Home Depot or the hardware shop, I don't buy the cheap electric drill because I know its going to do a shit job and probably break after I use it a few times. I'm going to buy vinyl or I will buy the best electric drill I can afford. I want my drill (and music) to be the best quality poss because I want the outcome to be the best. I want to use my drill for 10 yrs and I want my vinyl to last 30 years. In 10 yrs you wont know where those Mp3s are much less what hard drive they'll be on.

Again, I'll say that if you can pull off using your laptop then more power to you, but be aware. It isnt easy to get wax. Its easy to get a laptop and mp3s. Many, many douche-bag bloggers (with a lap top) now think its ok to bring those shit mp3s into the club. Now, they all think they can DJ. Problem with that is no damn blogger is going to rock a crowd of 1,000 like I can. I can step in front of a crowd of 20,000 people with my wax and have full confidence that i'll blow them all away. I can't have that kind of confidence with a group of Mp3s. So its my choice.

At the end of the day its your choice as to what tools of the trade you want to use.

Its about the end product that you are satisfied presenting to the audience/ customer. If you dont care about that, then go ahead and whip out your fast, cheap and easy tools for your fast cheap and easy Dj mix.

[EBR]

if anyone wants to arrange a vinyl vs traktor mix off then i'm deinitely game

Thats what I am saying. All these Mp3 Dj want to try bagging on me for using wax but when I challenged all of them to a battle ? Silence... I challenged any local Dj in my home town to a battle too. None of them have the balls. They know i'll run circles around them and embarrass them on stage. Thats the difference between vinyl and Mp3s.

I can't count how many times i've had to deal with some wetback amature blogger bringing his shit laptop into the club asking me to help him plug into the mixer etc etc having problems with the software etc etc IT NEVER ENDS with these lap top Djs. Do me a favor and stay the fuck off stage with your fly-by-night bandwagon Mp3s. Mp3s are a fast, cheap and easy alternative to using the real thing (vinyl.)

sorry to all your artists that work hard to release your mp3s @ beatport but the product you offer is not good enough for me. I know people will hate on me but thats it. Its the same reason I don't buy prints of a painting. Its the same reason I don't by cheap tools from the hardware store.

I want to live a real life using real tools. I don't like smoke and mirrors and I don't like people that push smoke and mirrors on me. thats a warning to all you Mp3 laptop tech heads. Stay the fuck out of my way because I've worked to hard for too long to deal with your stupid ass. Just get the fuck out of my way.

I know that sound bad but i've been dealing with nerds with lap tops at the club for years now and it never ends well.

[pkay]

Personal preference aside, anyone arguing against digital mediums because 'it does it for you' is a fucking muppet who knows fuck all about djing and likely rocks to a crowd of one in their bedroom nightly.

People used to shit on Photoshop because it put paint on a brush for you.

Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit

I'd rather be amazing at drawing than amazing at photoshop.

How about being amazing at both? As a 3d modeler/animator in my daily life, being versed in both has served me much better in my career than those who are single-minded. I am an artist who simply chose to work in the digital media realm.

Relate that to DJing as well.... People act like you can't be a good vinyl dj and simply choose to go digital.

[Pistonsbeneath]

i recently switched from using ableton to vinyl and have trainwrecked bad at times but no way i'm going back

it's actually satisfying getting a seriously wicked blend in on vinyl...on ableton..well it happens dunt it

also...

disfigured dubs/deep medi/dmz

[frankb88]

Personally i have always been a vinyl man and if i had a big bucket of cash i'd probably continue to be an exclusively vinyl man but I really dont have the kind of money to be spunkin on vinyls left right and centre. The major plus point for me aswel, would being able to play out music that hasnt had a release yet or mine or my friends music that hasnt been cut. If artists didn't dilly dally so much about releasing certain tunes it wouldn't be a problem. For example, by the time When i look at you by Emalkay got released that tune had been rinsed. Much the same story with Got 2 Know by Flux and even worse, Eyez by Mala...

I myself have never even used serato but i am actually considering buying it. Only problem is im not sure if its taking the skill out of mixing? Some have said its got auto sync and others say it hasnt? Because in my humble opinion if you cant/won't beat match, your not a DJ. I'm worried about all this new technology, seems to be rendering the old school art of mixing obselete.