Hidden Messages In Mass Market Music & Popular Culture

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Re: Hidden Messages In Mass Market Music & Popular Culture

Post by magma » Tue May 11, 2010 1:40 pm

gwa wrote:mickey mouse ears are used a lot in their symbolism. something to do with children being controlled. Beyonce wears them in the diner scene of telephone iirc

magma you need to research more on Masonic symbolism
Mickey Mouse is hardly a definite symbol of anything specific... his image could be construed in a thousand ways - vacuosity in entertainment, Disney's monopoly over children's entertainment, something more sinister (as you suggest)... he can be also be seen as a fairly innocuous symbol of "cuteness" or youth - I'd imagine that Rihanna likes the idea of sexying up Mickey Mouse because it allows her to bridge the marketing gap between Teenagers and Preteens. Similarly, lots of girls that age like to buy merchandise with the Playboy logo on... WHSmiths sell pencil cases with it on... girls LOVE a sexed up cartoon... especially if it has ears that they can wear on a headband.

Her and her production teams are shrewd businesspeople. They know how to make money out of teenagers, which is who, judging by the crowd last night, this music is aimed at. Why would teenagers even care about masonic symbols? Why should Rihanna, or any businessperson, need any more motivation than "This will make me rich"?
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Post by gwa » Tue May 11, 2010 1:57 pm

what you said is exactly true but change the buisness men into Masonic buisness men and voilà

to the public eye the ears look like some childish selling, to the eye of masons and people who understand masonic symbols then yeah it's pretty fucking blatent.

notice how jayz, beyonce, gaga and rhianna's videos all look the same?
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Post by magma » Tue May 11, 2010 2:00 pm

gwa wrote:notice how jayz, beyonce, gaga and rhianna's videos all look the same?
I don't really watch music TV, tbh so I don't think I'm qualified to comment on that... I've seen Gagas and Beyonce's latest ones because it was the easiest way to hear the tunes, but I'm not sure I've seen a Jay-Z video properly for a few years. Obviously, I've watched the Rihanna one in this thread.

What I don't get is why would they only want to boast to each other - i.e. to people who are already on the same level? Isn't the point of boasting or advertising to get your message out to those that aren't already aware you're better than them?

Jay-Z doesn't seem shy about showing off... I'm surprised he's so embarrassed about being a Mason that he wouldn't just come out and say it?
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Post by gwa » Tue May 11, 2010 2:11 pm

secret boys club innit. everyone knows what a freemason is, no one knows fuck all about what they do.

no mason goes around screaming and shouting about it, they talk publicly through symbols i guess. my bro in law is a mason so ill ask him
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Re: Hidden Messages In Mass Market Music & Popular Culture

Post by dreamizm » Tue May 11, 2010 4:28 pm

magma wrote:attributing more substance gives her far too much credit - she's a fairly ephemeral popstar, not any kind of intellectual collossus that is capable of dictating what we think.... she just writes songs about fighting men and falling in love... stuff that girls like when they're at school..
magma wrote:For a supposedly powerful organisation, the Masons are made out to be a bunch of frightened bunnies who are terrified of saying what they think in a world where most people are shouting what they think every second of the day on Twitter.
You make two (imo massively incorrect) assumptions about music videos and (covert) symbolism. #1 Rihanna (or any other pop artist for that matter) doesn't actually decide what goes in her videos, nor what stylisation or imagery is used. In a lot of cases I'd be surprised if she actually wrote most of the lyrics or hooks.

#2 The whole point of symbolism is that it's notobvious or made clear to the masses. It is insidious and creeps into the subconsious - "the whisper is often more effective than the shout" etc. It is repeated ad nauseum and gains its power in that way, because it goes largely unoticed. I am not saying I subscribe to this in general or for above example, it is just worth bearing in mind so-to-speak ;-)
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Post by gwa » Tue May 11, 2010 4:30 pm

yeah that's what i was wanting to say, wish i could get on DSF at work!
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Post by BLAHBLAHJAH » Tue May 11, 2010 4:34 pm

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magma wrote:attributing more substance gives her far too much credit - she's a fairly ephemeral popstar, not any kind of intellectual collossus that is capable of dictating what we think.... she just writes songs about fighting men and falling in love... stuff that girls like when they're at school..
magma wrote:For a supposedly powerful organisation, the Masons are made out to be a bunch of frightened bunnies who are terrified of saying what they think in a world where most people are shouting what they think every second of the day on Twitter.
You make two (imo massively incorrect) assumptions about music videos and (covert) symbolism. #1 Rihanna (or any other pop artist for that matter) doesn't actually decide what goes in her videos, nor what stylisation or imagery is used. In a lot of cases I'd be surprised if she actually wrote most of the lyrics or hooks.

#2 The whole point of symbolism is that it's notobvious or made clear to the masses. It is insidious and creeps into the subconsious - "the whisper is often better than the shout" etc. It is repeated ad nauseum and gain its power in that way, becuase it goes largely unoticed. I am not saying I subscribe to this in general or for above example, it is just worth bearing in mind so-to-speak ;-)

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Re: Hidden Messages In Mass Market Music & Popular Culture

Post by dreamizm » Tue May 11, 2010 4:35 pm

Another interesting 'theme' emerging recently (and also involving Jay and Rihanna) is that of anarchy and riots.

See: 'Run this town' and the new Lil Wayne & Eminem video. Seen it in a few others as well.

I think it's interesting to join the dots and be aware what you are seeing and possible reasons as to why and the implications of seeing repeated symbolsim. Doesn't necessarily mean you have to believe you are being brainwashed though!
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Post by 64hz » Tue May 11, 2010 4:46 pm

what do you think the purpose of the 'anarchy and riots' symbolism is?

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Post by parson » Tue May 11, 2010 4:58 pm

you want to know what the freemasons do, you should go get some of their secret literature that is now widely available in used bookshops

personally i do NOT think that masonic symbolism is evidence of evil deeds

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Post by parson » Tue May 11, 2010 4:59 pm

they are not all slitherin. some of em are gryffindor

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Post by parson » Tue May 11, 2010 5:00 pm

i also think the freemasons are behind the massive rave/festival circuit as well

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Post by parson » Tue May 11, 2010 5:04 pm

watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u-vmk9iapQ

it starts off with a hexagon lattice, then they drop a daisy over it, then they overlay the flower of life on top of it. both the hexagon lattice and the flower of life are derived from metatron's cube. this is basic sacred geometry. then it goes on to look like some weird cult recruitment video. looks fun though. big up masonic festivals.

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Post by dreamizm » Wed May 12, 2010 10:08 am

64hz wrote:what do you think the purpose of the 'anarchy and riots' symbolism is?
When you switch on Sky News and you see people shouting and protesting outside Tory HQ or innocent civilians getting pushed and mauled at the G8 riots or thousands of people marcing at govt cuts in Greece, then you switch over to MTV and see Jay-Z, Rihanna and Kanye running around in Gucci balaclavas doing the same thing.. how do you feel about the world's problems?
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Post by the acid never lies » Wed May 12, 2010 12:19 pm

bright maroon wrote:pistonsbeneath - Try not to get too wrapped up in it and remember this..

Almost every serious photographer/filmmaker in the world has seen and appreciates the work of Kenneth Anger and as a result has delved into the "Hollywood Babylon"/ BlackArts thing at some point in their you know - career or studies..

It is just a part of our culture..the concept of Idol Worship and Movie Magic

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I was a child in the 70's and trust me when I say satanism was WAY more mainstream back then -
They used to have afterschool specials about covens of black witches..
who were doing blood sacrifice in their living rooms...
You know - Beaver Cleavers living room - and I mean full on blood chalice - rams and pentagrams
and they were always trying to seduce the young girl heroine from next door
of course she didn't know that she was a witch etc...
but at some point her mother would reveal the family secret or whatever..


I never see any of those films getting repeat play now..they were dark as all get out!!
I saw the one with all the bikers as part of my film course - that week it was all about the 'queer underground' - never thought that would pop up again!

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Post by lloydnoise » Wed May 12, 2010 1:26 pm

ITT:

People get their knickers in a twist because they read too deeply into a fairly unispired stab at using established human symbolism in a pop song/music video.
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Some creative director's probably know more than you guys about ancient symbolism (hint, they may have studied it at Uni/College) but just use it as a simple aesthetic device in some video or whatnot. They are'nt hinting at anything, why would they. Ask why this is an effective way of cimmunicating. If it's hush hush internal NWO messaging then why do it via mass media. If it's brainwashing super subconcious subliminal messages then why don't any of you mystery seekers know what it means??? If 1 simple question breaks the whole thing apart it's probably not true (like christianity :D ).

Dreamizm is spot on, Rhianna wouldn't have any say regarding the content of her video. She may have some ideas etc but if you don't write the music/ lyrics, you don't bankroll the project, you haven't done the marketing, you haven't spoken to test audiences/focus groups, you don't own the studio etc, you really won't have much say in anything, she's just fit and can sing/dance.

I own a huge NWO style secret world operating super group. I would like to get rich influential people on board to help:
A - Help fund my projects, secret plans, formal dinners etc..
B - Use their public and private influence to push my agenda to the public and/or big business/ big government etc...

hmmm, should I go to a major player in global commerce with billions to play with and fingers in every political pie that matters in the western world or....
Fuck it! I'll call Jay Z and get him to do a song about the credit crunch!!!!

Srsly guys, no offence but YOU ARE FUCKING STUPID if you believe the world works like this...
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Post by gwa » Wed May 12, 2010 1:45 pm

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Post by Pistonsbeneath » Wed May 12, 2010 1:45 pm

you are very disappointing at times lloyd..

you seem intelligent when discussing other subjects...

you repeat the same tired challenges that can neither be refuted nor proven right as they are the red herrings of choice when it comes to this...

history is full of prominent people using symbolism...read the holy blood and the holy grail and you will find numerous examples of that
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Post by ed teach » Wed May 12, 2010 3:30 pm

djelements wrote:
karmacazee wrote:The Lady Gaga ones on that site are good, IMO.

Taken inside a masonic lodge, ffs

Image
This picture speaks volumes to me.
As in; the idea of the "popstar" (the fame of the icon) is made up by the individual belief of all those who support it. This picture shows the icon resting on top of the souls of lost children, gaining it's power from their belief in it. Similiar to the all seeing eye on top of the pyramid. It's all seeing because it is a combination of everthing that everyone sees simultaneously, but without the individuals' subjective judgements.

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The other iconography used in the mannequin photo shows the eye of Horus/Thoth (depending on which way you're looking at it/seeing it from!) - along with the Cleopatran hairstyle - all heavy indications of a link to Egyptian thinking. The peace/anarchy symbol threw me off a bit though! Vigilant citizens indeed...

In ancient Egyptian thinking, it was belived that to discuss any subject or person in any way would give power to that subject or person. To remove power from something you simply need not mention it, or think of it, or manifest it in any way within your consciousness. The only problem is that upon finding someone who is talking about "it" and arguing with that person about something you do not believe in will inevitably give "it" power because you are creating a resistance to a lie and this will "give power to the name". Wordsound is/are Power etc (Sun Ra).

Piston previously mentioned the Baphomet analogy within another pop song - very similar to the 4th Egyptian pharaoh Akhenaten , often confused through historical misrepresentation as being the devil incarnation of man or the androgenous deceiver, but in reality this is all about the growth of consciousness through enlightenment. To trancend our nature is to reshape it. Love makes us lazy, hate motivates us to change. Both powers are completley subjective and really should not be applied in any way outside of the individual concerned, but we all know they are very real forces that do exist and will affect us in the strongest possible way. It's what the experience of these powers create - and so far that is the human mind, ever changing and evolving and far from being tied to any static definitions arising from any individuals take on it. I am what I am, we are what we are etc.

I think the pop stars mentioned above are really trying to enlighten people by acting out a play or drama that renders this eternal & internal human struggle. Whether or not they are aware of this is another question entirely, but you don't blame actors in a film or a play for portraying bad things even if the result is a negative because they are acting in order to render human situations. I think actors and pop stars do have a responsibility to be careful about how these things are portrayed, but all of us have an even greater responsibility to be true and just in the way we live our everyday lives. This in the end is what's important - otherwise it will give rise to all kinds of fu**ed up possibilites for our minds to be controlled by powers far from our understanding.

My language and understanding in some of these subjects is lacking, but I hope you understand what I am saying here. This is some really heavy stuff, but you have the freedom to make up your own mind. Just remember that other people do too.

P.S. Well done if you made it through all that - it was much harder to write if that means anything.
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Re: Hidden Messages In Mass Market Music & Popular Culture

Post by 64hz » Wed May 12, 2010 3:50 pm

dreamizm wrote:
64hz wrote:what do you think the purpose of the 'anarchy and riots' symbolism is?
When you switch on Sky News and you see people shouting and protesting outside Tory HQ or innocent civilians getting pushed and mauled at the G8 riots or thousands of people marcing at govt cuts in Greece, then you switch over to MTV and see Jay-Z, Rihanna and Kanye running around in Gucci balaclavas doing the same thing.. how do you feel about the world's problems?
so your saying that they are inciting people to riot?
pretty shit move for 'tptb'.

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