david lynch on sept 11, 2001

[bob crunkhouse]

i think people who trust the governent enough to srsly doubt it was an inside job are the nutters

yes. & for anyone that believes the 'official' story I've got some AMAZING investment oppurtunities to disscuss with you >>>

and u believe in what exactly? the "unofficial story" told to you by who exactly, some mad conspiracy theorist who will tell u there was no moon landing, no holocaust and that "illuminati" are takin over the world!, im exagarating but do ya know what i mean??!?! think about who your gettin your info from!

& the only people I'm innarested in hearin from are people wot where on the ground when it happened - unedited & in full without the opinions of 'experts'

as ive said before i dont really know who or what to believe, but dont think you're gettin anything closer to the truth by listening to fools broadcasting there slant on current affairs on some conspiracy website.

let go of the ideal of 'the truth' & yr one step closer

goon

dunno if thats the best way to go about it realy, surely the people that would know best would be structurual engineers etc, not people who just saw what happened. For example, something i found interesting about the two conflicting storys is the controlled explosion theory, It may have looked like a controlled explosion, however controlled expolsions happen from the bottom of a building, and its clearly seen to be falling from the top down. t

ure gonna get a lot of conflicting and panicked versions of storys if u listen to people who were there when it happened, dosent sound like the best idea to me.

"let go of the ideal of 'the truth' & yr one step closer"

dont know what u mean by this really, surely everyone involved with both sides of this argument, just wants to get the truth, i know thats all im interested in, no political issues or nothing, would just love to know.....and ure the goon

[bob crunkhouse]

Churchill said, a lot of people will one day in their life trip over the truth. But most just get up dust themselves off and continue as if nothing has happened.

one of my favourite quotes

[bob crunkhouse]

During the summer of 1798, Rev. G. W. Snyder, a Lutheran minister, wrote a letter to President Washington and included a copy of Robison’s book, expressing his concern about the Illuminati infiltrating the American Masonic lodges. In Washington’s response, dated September 25, 1798, he wrote: “I have heard much about the nefarious and dangerous plan and doctrines of the Illuminati,” but went on to say that he didn’t believe that they had become involved in the lodges. A subsequent letter by Snyder, requesting a more reassuring answer, resulted in a letter from Washington, dated October 24, 1798, which can be found in The Writings of George Washington (volume 20, page 518, which was prepared under the direction of the U.S. George Washington Bicentennial Commission and published by the U.S. Government Printing Office in 1941). He wrote:

“It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrines of the Illuminati and the principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more satisfied of this fact than I am. The idea I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the lodges of Freemasons in this country had, as societies, endeavored to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles of the latter. That individuals of them may have done it, or that the founder or instruments employed to have found the democratic societies in the United States may have had this object, and actually had a separation of the people from their government in view, is too evident to be questioned.”

Shortly before his death, Washington issued two more warnings about the Illuminati.

Around 1807, John Quincy Adams (said to have organized the New England Masonic lodges), who later became President in 1825, wrote three letters to Colonel William C. Stone, a top Mason, telling him that Thomas Jefferson, our 3rd President, and founder of the Democratic Party, was using the Masonic lodges for subversive Illuminati purposes. These letters were allegedly kept at the Rittenburg Square Library in Philadelphia, but have mysteriously vanished. Adams also wrote to Washington, saying that Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton were misusing Masonic lodges for Illuminati purposes and the worship of Lucifer (which is recorded in the Adams Chronicles).

Benjamin Franklin was also accused of being a member of the Illuminati, but there is no concrete proof of this. Jefferson seemed to be the main focus of everyone’s ire. He was accused by the Federalists of being a Jacobin, and an atheist. There is some evidence to indicate that he did use the Democratic Societies and Jacobin Clubs in his 1796 battle with John Adams for the Presidency. The Rev. Jedediah Morse identified Jefferson as “an Illuminatus.”

fair enough man, i dont know enough about this really, gonna look into it though, sounds interesting.

[joseph-j]

fair enough man, i dont know enough about this really, gonna look into it though, sounds interesting.

Thing about that sort of thing is, the Illuminati have been around for ages as a kind of idea, but the above quote refers to the Bavarian Illuminati, which did actually exist in the late 1700s and did infiltrate masonic lodges, but was nowhere near the kind of global secret society that people picture it to be. It was tiny and died out pretty quickly apparently.

I have no proof that they didn't form some huge global power of course, but then this is the problem with conspiracy theories - the majority of people who believe in them for some reason think its the responsiblity of the skeptics to prove them wrong - which of course you can never do - not the other, more logical, way round.

[parson]

the evidence of their ongoing activity is all around you

its ridiculous to think otherwise imnsho

[obiwan]

Bo 4 Parson he makes big beats and he knows wha gwaan its true but don't watch the attitudes on this forum half of them are upwardly mobile aspirational little conformists!

[parson]

i don't wanna call anybody names or piss people off though

i was really skeptical about all this stuff for a large portion of my life

i've only recently become solidly convinced of all this sort of stuff slowly over the past couple years

i'm kinda old

[doomstep]

dont know what u mean by this really, surely everyone involved with both sides of this argument, just wants to get the truth, i know thats all im interested in, no political issues or nothing, would just love to know.....and ure the goon

ur right I ama goon

The truth is that something fukn horrible occured, many died needlessly. Mothers lost sons, Wives lost husbands - people got fucked up & the tragedy is that you cant seperate it from politricks & thar are too many fingers in too many pies - we'll never know what really happened & differant versions of 'The Truth' will be used to fuk people over - again & again & again

The worlds most powerfull military force is now engaged ina war with - an undisclosed %age of the - worlds civilian population, n that is whole next tragedy.

dunno if thats the best way to go about it realy, surely the people that would know best would be structurual engineers etc, not people who just saw what happened.....

ure gonna get a lot of conflicting and panicked versions of storys if u listen to people who were there when it happened, dosent sound like the best idea to me.

yh I dont trust 'the experts' tho, and u generally end up with as many diff stories as experts involved. 1st hand information is always best & its fairly easy to dechiper panicked versions after the event & contrast that with the video / pictorial evidence (another 1st hand source).

My point was tho - everything we see is filtered thru the media - hence all the wacky 'oooooo look what happened on 11-11ty 11 in the year 1111' bollox - you come up with all kinds of crazy stories when you've only snippets of info, kinda fill in the gaps yh

I'd really like to see the 1st on scene firefighters interviews at length & the 1s with the mechanic guys that were in the basement of onea the towers, my biggest problem with 'loose change' & the media etc is the editing - u edit things right & u can turn day to night

[doomstep]

i don't wanna call anybody names or piss people off though

i was really skeptical about all this stuff for a large portion of my life

i've only recently become solidly convinced of all this sort of stuff slowly over the past couple years

i'm kinda old

I dunno if ur tekin the pish with half this stuff ur reeling out as kinda 'covering fire' but mate u murk ur own argument harder than alex jones - n that takes effort.

*hats off

[bob crunkhouse]

Bo 4 Parson he makes big beats and he knows wha gwaan its true but don't watch the attitudes on this forum half of them are upwardly mobile aspirational little conformists!

yea Parson does make big beats(and big up to ya!), aint got nothin to do with this though mate, if ure gonna post something, how about putting your opinion on things across!

upwardly mobile aspirational little conformists!

think i found something to put in my sig! haha....funniest thing ive read in ages!

[parson]

i don't make arguments really

i just have a lot of stuff to say and say stuff all the time and if you get it cool and if you don't i couldn't give less of a fuck

[j_j]

well lets just say for a minute that it was an inside job

lets suppose that this inside job went way higher than GWB

perhaps it was the Illuminati

george washington said no one was more aware of the illuminati's nefarious plans AND infilatration of american politics than he

so anyway if it was the illuminati, one of their most notorious strategies for population control is the fabian war of attrition. a large part of this war of attrition is setting up dummy parties representing the people, but they are incompetent and ineffectual. another thing they do is spread lies and disinformation disguised as as dissent in an attempt to discredit the real dissent.

the web of deceit and misinformation is a complex one.

it takes the ability to see the big picture for things to start making more sense

sorry mate, but that ain't convincing me in the slightest, i havent even heard anyone mention illimunati about 9/11..

sleeping....

[j_j]

its clearly a fucking inside job ...theres s MILLION fucking reasons why.
wake the fuck up !!!!!

[bob crunkhouse]

dont know what u mean by this really, surely everyone involved with both sides of this argument, just wants to get the truth, i know thats all im interested in, no political issues or nothing, would just love to know.....and ure the goon

ur right I ama goon

The truth is that something fukn horrible occured, many died needlessly. Mothers lost sons, Wives lost husbands - people got fucked up & the tragedy is that you cant seperate it from politricks & thar are too many fingers in too many pies - we'll never know what really happened & differant versions of 'The Truth' will be used to fuk people over - again & again & again

The worlds most powerfull military force is now engaged ina war with - an undisclosed %age of the - worlds civilian population, n that is whole next tragedy.

dunno if thats the best way to go about it realy, surely the people that would know best would be structurual engineers etc, not people who just saw what happened.....

ure gonna get a lot of conflicting and panicked versions of storys if u listen to people who were there when it happened, dosent sound like the best idea to me.

yh I dont trust 'the experts' tho, and u generally end up with as many diff stories as experts involved. 1st hand information is always best & its fairly easy to dechiper panicked versions after the event & contrast that with the video / pictorial evidence (another 1st hand source).

My point was tho - everything we see is filtered thru the media - hence all the wacky 'oooooo look what happened on 11-11ty 11 in the year 1111' bollox - you come up with all kinds of crazy stories when you've only snippets of info, kinda fill in the gaps yh

I'd really like to see the 1st on scene firefighters interviews at length & the 1s with the mechanic guys that were in the basement of onea the towers, my biggest problem with 'loose change' & the media etc is the editing - u edit things right & u can turn day to night

think were all goons mate

yea i get what ya saying, the truth in what shape it takes will be used to fuck people over.

dunno man, maybe ive just got more trust than others but when i hear a large selection of respected structual analysts and demolition experts talk and write about 9/11...i do tend to trust what they say, and i havent read that many different reports to be honest. In my mind the controlled demolition idea is utter arse..

i dont share your appreciation of first hand witnesses tbh...i reckon thats were your gonna find the biggest amount of conflicting reports, same with the firefighters too, these people were probably under the most stress and panic they had ever felt in there life, it just isnt going to be reliable. Take the reports on Loose change (and subsequently screw loose change) when the plane hit the Pentagon, theres all these people saying all different things, planes, jets,unmarked planes ,bombs etc etc...no one knows what going on!

my biggest problem with 'loose change' & the media etc is the editing - u edit things right & u can turn day to night

true dat!

[parson]

controlled demolition is not even a key point

[bob crunkhouse]

its clearly a fucking inside job ...theres s MILLION fucking reasons why.
wake the fuck up !!!!!

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...u wake the fuck up!!!!! or perhaps just post something with substance

[bob crunkhouse]

controlled demolition is not even a key point

fair enough...always has been to the people ive discussed this with before

[shonky]

I don't really see the need for secret societies and conspiracy theories - the big movers and shakers will inevitably act in a way that makes them richer and more powerful when given the opportunity. Look at the multitude of landgrabs, lying to the masses, taxing the poor to give to the rich, etc that have happened throughout human history. Doesn't require wierd rituals, just avarice.

It's far less frequent to find a national leader that actually acts selflessly for the good of the people. How many people on this planet got to be massively rich without being an arsehole somewhere down the line? Unfair business advantage, government assistance and monopolizing are all fairly regular activities. Why not just have a look at how big business lends money to developing countries in exchange for privatising it's public services and getting into a lucrative monopoly.

By the way wasn't the Illuminati thing a series of parody books based on conspiracy theories that a lot of people took literally. Wasn't Robert Anton Wilson a paranoid schizophrenic? Isn't numerology chiefly based on finding the numbers that make some sense to an event whilst ignoring those that don't.

I find it difficult to believe that the US government could execute such a high level deceit so effectively without anyone involved (and it would be a great deal of people given the scale of operation that the theorists like to posit) when they've fucked up the war in Iraq and other operations so badly. Hardly shows great finesse does it?

I'd say that it looks more likely that they didn't act on intelligence (you could still argue the deliberate/accidental side I guess) and paid the price, and then used it as a flimsy justification for eventually attacking Iraq, which the US government intended to do since Clinton's time. I'd reckon that it gave them an opportunity to do this, but it may have been more the convenience of events which led to anti-terrorist hysteria and public support for fighting a country which was not an immediate threat with the added hope of getting control of an oil-rich region.

Unless of course they've been fighting Gulf War II (G+W, second letter of the alphabet=B - geez it's uncanny isn't it???) with such outrageous incompetence to make me think they had nothing to do with 9/11

[parson]

robert anton wilson was a great man

numerology is such a huge can of worms i regret even bringing it up

[parson]

and you're not making any sense with this

I find it difficult to believe that the US government could execute such a high level deceit so effectively without anyone involved (and it would be a great deal of people given the scale of operation that the theorists like to posit) when they've fucked up the war in Iraq and other operations so badly. Hardly shows great finesse does it?

there aren't that many people involved at all actually. thats the nature of the pyramid. the power at the top is concentrated into a handful of people.

and nobody is claiming them to have any finesse

as a matter of fact we are saying they lack finesse. we are saying its all really stupidly obvious