evil, scary, black metal 140 bpm murder "music"

[ResetTheAtari]

"My taste is better than yours and you should feel bad for liking different music than I do."

My post sounded quite bad, but I fucking love Gabba, always have, but I justI find it really funny in a good way! Nasenbluten 'Cuntface' for instance.

[Ganglion-Blackguard]

Electronic music has enough retarded sub-genres.

[back2onett]

Electronic music has enough retarded sub-genres.

We're doing a hell of a lot better than metal.

[alphacat]

the thing that was attractive to me about dubstep was the feeling of anything goes, it wasnt necessarily about what it was but what it could be and what influences i could bring to it myself.

i think coming on the interent and saying anything should or shouldnt be dubstep is counterintuitive to what dubstep used to really be about, wich imo was bring to it what you can as long as its 140ish and bassy go for it!

And I would argue that the 140 thing is actually not part of the original sound at all - that's the dictatorship of the DJ at work right there.

Go ahead, listen to the Dubstep All-Stars comps from the first to last and tell me that tempo conformism didn't overtake dubstep as a whole (similar thing happened in DnB too with the whole retarded 160 speed limit backlash, except nobody paid attention to that for long.) I really think more folks should challenge the tyranny of 140.

Which brings me back to the original topic of 'evil' metal-inspired dubstep: if we start with the famous "Bass + Pace + Space" dubstep recipe, the problem with much of this kind of sound has to do with its density - there's a lot of shit going on, most of it pretty hairy if viewed spectrally, and this takes away from the ingredient of Space.

Solution?

Widen [either slow down or use alt. time sigs like 6/8, which naturally sounds heavier] the Pace to provide more Space. Go heavier... literally.

The other thing that comes to mind is an analogy that some of you may or may not agree with, but I believe to be true - that roots dub is to dubstep as blues is to rock n' roll. It's already got the Bass Pace Space equation down pat (and in a broad range of BPMs and riddims, no less!) ...and if many young up & comers want to expand their influences outside the scope of dubstep proper, then the roots dub reggae sound should be at the top of your listening list.

[Ongelegen]

I really couldn't care less about genres and sub-genres, i'll just pick the stuff i enjoy listening. Worrying about the genre of other peoples music is just silly and won't get you anywhere.

[Steve_French]

if you don't like it, don't listen to it, or complain like a whiny bitch.

[grooki]

...i think most brostep in general is fueled by angry 16 year olds who are into bands like slipknot and genres like metalcore - both of which are neither evil or scary,

[mks]

...i think most brostep in general is fueled by angry 16 year olds who are into bands like slipknot and genres like metalcore - both of which are neither evil or scary,

To be honest, when I was that age I was into hardcore punk and I just wanted to hear the fastest and hardest music possible.

[vazt]

Look at house music its a mess with how hardcore people act with their subgenres.. "I'm ONLY into Tech-House not any of that electro shit"

haha

I can't tell the fucking difference

about 40 degrees on the cut off filter

[abZ]

the thing that was attractive to me about dubstep was the feeling of anything goes, it wasnt necisarily about what it was but what it could be and what influences i could bring to it myself.

i think coming on the interent and saying anything should or shouldnt be dubstep is counterintuitive to what dubstep used to really be about, wich imo was bring to it what you can as long as its 140ish and bassy go for it!

i remember when there werent but a few dirty midy bass tracks about and then more poeple started pushing that sound and now people want to rename it soemthin else as a kind of slate like its not good enought to fit their definition of what dubstep is but doesnt that really validate it as something unique and original, but none of the hard dubstep haterz would admit its unique and original, i dunno its somehow like trying to have your cake and eat it to i just dont understand that mentality.

imo what makes a genre good is different flavours, enough different sounds that anyone if they look hard enough can find what they consider good music within it. how boring and shitty would dubstep be if every tune was basically just a rehash of some deep dmz tune or soemthing, at least now theres influences from all over within dubstep. not that i like it all but i do beleive it all has its place.

ok enough, i hate when i get "suckered" into typing these long rants about how i see dubstep. to each their own i guess. id sure like to see more of that open mindedness come back to dubstep that drew me in in the first place. not that im going anywhere.

I am on bored with this. I kinda wanted to rant but I am too lazy to write it all out, yours is good enough. Honestly the stuff you are talking about in this thread is not my cup of tea but I say fair play. Too many protective mother hands around here. Anyway @FSTZ we are old fucking men this music is not for US. As a younger man I would probably be all about the aggro tbh. Wrap your head around the idea the dubstep as a term is purely a marketing term at this point. As a producer, dj, etc you shouldn't be concerned with what goes in what box, just play the music you like, make the music you like, live and let live. Borgore and Broken Note and Rottun is extremely popular in the states and the stuff I play not so much and the hater bandwagon is growing because this is what is being recognized as dubstep now and yeah that pisses me off too but like Press says it is counterproductive to go out of your way to separate yourself from this style. It won't hurt them a bit it will just hurt your own game as the bitterness is not all that transparent. Ok I did rant a little longer than I was going to but fuck it. point is stick to your own guns and don't worry so much about everyone else.

[abZ]

^great point about inbreeding i deifnitly think alot of peeps are using only dubstep influences and canabalizing shit, its another big reason i got into dubstep. dubstep presented an opportunity for me to use the sounds and inlfuences that got me into electronic music in the first place (dnb, specifically techstep/neurofunk) with out essentially biting everyone who did it before me.

Yes it is terrible and it is the same thing that turned me away from DNB once upon a time but it is a completely different subject tbh.

[djake]

is this music ment to scare me? cause it dont really....

aphex twin - selected ambient works 2, now that scares the shit of me sometimes.

[mks]

is this music ment to scare me? cause it dont really....

aphex twin - selected ambient works 2, now that scares the shit of me sometimes.

Be careful about falling asleep to that...

[grooki]

Of the new breed of heavy midrange dubstep, I much prefer the wobble oriented stuff still - Datsik Excision etc... The metally distorted "power chords" really don't do it for me. It doesn't please my dubstep aesthetic.

[nowaysj]

this is what is being recognized as dubstep now and yeah that pisses me off too but like Press says it is counterproductive to go out of your way to separate yourself from this style.

bah. I could give a flying fuck what people listen to. I've long been dismayed at what people find auditorily satisfying. But really I could care less. I would like to be able to have a conversation with someone and use the word dubstep and not have that person think of the term as a circular saw being sloppily dropped down a large reverberant stairwell. Whatever, I've long been dismayed at the inarticulate usage of language as well.

[grooki]

this is what is being recognized as dubstep now and yeah that pisses me off too but like Press says it is counterproductive to go out of your way to separate yourself from this style.

bah. I could give a flying fuck what people listen to. I've long been dismayed at what people find auditorily satisfying. But really I could care less. I would like to be able to have a conversation with someone and use the word dubstep and not have that person think of the term as a circular saw being sloppily dropped down a large reverberant stairwell. Whatever, I've long been dismayed at the inarticulate usage of language as well.

I agree with this to the extent that, at some point it becomes silly to try and hold on to the "it's all on genre philosophy". This philosophy would make sense if there was an equal dispersal from the original idea, but what is happening in dubstep (and what happens in other genres) is that one particular aesthetic grows and grows (bangin midrange ), while the rest remains relatively diverse. At some point surely you have to make a distinction? To me it's perfectly sensible. I think it makes sense to hold off splitting into subgenres for as long as possible, but after a while the word dubstep does not accurately describe what you do...

I'm not saying that people or djs should stick to genres and subgenres. I just think it makes sense when communicating with people to have words that more accurately match what you mean.

[abZ]

this is what is being recognized as dubstep now and yeah that pisses me off too but like Press says it is counterproductive to go out of your way to separate yourself from this style.

bah. I could give a flying fuck what people listen to. I've long been dismayed at what people find auditorily satisfying. But really I could care less. I would like to be able to have a conversation with someone and use the word dubstep and not have that person think of the term as a circular saw being sloppily dropped down a large reverberant stairwell. Whatever, I've long been dismayed at the inarticulate usage of language as well.

I agree with this to the extent that, at some point it becomes silly to try and hold on to the "it's all on genre philosophy". This philosophy would make sense if there was an equal dispersal from the original idea, but what is happening in dubstep (and what happens in other genres) is that one particular aesthetic grows and grows (bangin midrange ), while the rest remains relatively diverse. At some point surely you have to make a distinction? To me it's perfectly sensible. I think it makes sense to hold off splitting into subgenres for as long as possible, but after a while the word dubstep does not accurately describe what you do...

I'm not saying that people or djs should stick to genres and subgenres. I just think it makes sense when communicating with people to have words that more accurately match what you mean.

It is called filth, do you feel better now? The stuff has already made itself distinctive no matter what you call it. If you are still upset go have a chat with an oldschool dance dj, when I mean old school I am talking 80's. Ask them what they think of electro house, UK Garage, etc. These feelings are only new to this genre. Old discussion for any other genre. Probably the most efficient solution is to forget about dubstep. Call YOUR music something else. It is already happening, Future Garage? Personally I don't give a fuck. I am going to do what I am going to do regardless. The idea of making MUSIC instead of an extremely niche genre is appealing to me atmo.

[nowaysj]

The idea of making MUSIC instead of an extremely niche genre is appealing to me atmo.

Me too, it just so happens that the music I want to make shares stylistic similarities with the artform formerly known as dubstep.

[knell]

haha, all this and the genre "dubstep" hasnt even been added to myspace's genre selection yet...

or is that because they've given up and accepted their slow, agonizing death?

[grooki]

It is called filth, do you feel better now? The stuff has already made itself distinctive no matter what you call it. If you are still upset go have a chat with an oldschool dance dj, when I mean old school I am talking 80's. Ask them what they think of electro house, UK Garage, etc. These feelings are only new to this genre. Old discussion for any other genre. Probably the most efficient solution is to forget about dubstep. Call YOUR music something else. It is already happening, Future Garage? Personally I don't give a fuck. I am going to do what I am going to do regardless. The idea of making MUSIC instead of an extremely niche genre is appealing to me atmo.

I'm not upset about it, and I do make my own music. The idea of just making music is also appealing to me. I just think it's silly to hold on to terms that don't work so well anymore. The dance dj from the 80s has had to move on and realise that "dance" is now a very general term and could mean pretty much anything - and this is what is happening to dubstep. Of course I will make whatever I like - but in talking about what I have made or what I like with other people, sometimes the term "dubstep" needs to be refined a little.