Filesharers....Who are these people?!

[boogiemeister]

Correct me if I'm wrong about the dubstep scene, but if the industry works anything like the music industry as a whole, artists make massively small profits from CD sales. Most profit comes from T shirts amusingly, and second to that ticket sales at shows and concerts. So one could argue that filesharing actually leads to greater exposure of an artist , thus ultimately more people who are willing to buy.

that's the current state of affairs. But who really cares if Metallica make all their money from T-Shirt sales? They've been around for a long ass time and are well established. They've made their money already, so at the end of the day it wouldn't matter to them financially if they sold zero CD's/LP's. Underground artists do not get the luxury of living off merchandise sales or shows since they don't have any in the first place. All money they could potentially make is from their music.

[human?]

Underground artists do not get the luxury of living off merchandise sales or shows since they don't have any in the first place. All money they could potentially make is from their music.

LOL

luxury!?!??! pffffffffffff DJs are pompus arrogant bastards when it comes to hustling merch

any other scene it standard, djs in edm act like fucking rockstars


not saying right or wrong, just saying, seriously, edm cats slack & have undeserved egos galore when it comes to the nitty gritty & slangin merch

dont show up till half hour before they go on and expect to just drink and sniff coke in the backroom after, set up a TABLE yo, hustle your shit, you arent special


*edit* seriously, if you are a artist on the comeup reading this, take me seriously. move your shit yo, MAKE product, you are a artist, get out there, connect with PEOPLE, not dick sucking industry connects, those are fleeting, im talking CONNECT with people who enjoy, and have something to sell them... be part of their life and they will remember you forvever, but HUSTLE that shit.... MAKE IT HAPPEN OR SHUT THE FUCK UP

[boogiemeister]

lol, you rarely have a whole of merch sales in dubstep, do you? at least not to the extent of rock/metal where it's pretty much an integral part of running a band. I'm just saying that bands like Metallica can safely rely on merch sales, leaving record sales pretty much aside. in that sense it is a luxury for them. I doubt the people at Dubstar for example make their bulk of money on their shirt sales. most artists don't have any merch to sell, they only hustle their music

[human?]

lol, you rarely have a whole of merch sales in dubstep, do you? at least not to the extent of rock/metal where it's pretty much an integral part of running a band. I'm just saying that bands like Metallica can safely rely on merch sales, leaving record sales pretty much aside. in that sense it is a luxury for them. I doubt the people at Dubstar for example make their bulk of money on their shirt sales. most artists don't have any merch to sell, they only hustle their music

thats their own fault. if anyone on dubstepforum needs a good spot to get shirts screen printed and you live in the US hit me up...

in Hiphop, even if you got a album out, you make a exclusive mixtape & maybe some shirts to hustle on tour.. alot of time to even pay for the tour... really. it not hard at all. if you are creative you can do it. and all the even semi-successful labels & parties with good graphics know what i mean. simple. gotta spend some $ to make some $ but, hey, no shit, welcome to life.

im not at all sayin shit is easy. its very very very very hard. no sarcasm. very.

and it should be, lets get the quality movin, we own this, independent as fuck, creative people worldwide, they dont own us, lets do this.


*edit* lol, reading my drunken trying to be encouraging self i see the contradiction of its not hard, but its very hard! lol and thats what it is. we have the world at our fingertips, the tools are ours, we get the concepts.... but yo the hustle is hard as fuck, you have to put in work, be creative, push hard, and really do the shit if you expect to sustain financially... the contradiction is what it is, i think its great right now and things are fun

[ResetTheAtari]

, independent as fuck, creative people worldwide, they dont own us, lets do this.

Wurd.

[oli number 2]

i dont really have the money to buy all the tunes i like, so i do download quite a lot of music illegally. I also buy loads of vynls though, lots of the time the same tunes i illegally downloaded! i see no problem in this because i'm not gonna buy the tunes i've downloaded anyway, so whats the problem with downloading it. if i didnt i wouldn't have paid for it anyways...

[briskisgoodforu]

lol, you rarely have a whole of merch sales in dubstep, do you? at least not to the extent of rock/metal where it's pretty much an integral part of running a band. I'm just saying that bands like Metallica can safely rely on merch sales, leaving record sales pretty much aside. in that sense it is a luxury for them. I doubt the people at Dubstar for example make their bulk of money on their shirt sales. most artists don't have any merch to sell, they only hustle their music

Yeah, but seriously, unless they're selling CD's direct, I'm talking about like less than a dollar an album, like less than 50 cents. Musicians make some weak money on album sales.

[fretn]

Anno 2010 one should not hope for a full time music career, one should focus on music to get an additional revenue...
Seriously too many people thinking (hoping ) they can live of music.
Not gonna work!

[philippo]

Anno 2010 one should not hope for a full time music career, one should focus on music to get an additional revenue...
Seriously too many people thinking (hoping ) they can live of music.
Not gonna work!

You can 'live' off music if they are producing a popular sound at the minute not via the sales but by their gigs/sets - Flux Pavillion for example will make hardly any money from his sales mostly because its just leaked online however he is being booked nearly every other day to perform in different countries - he can be making around 1k-2k a week...thats pretty decent to live off

[Pistonsbeneath]

its not about the money but about ethics as i said earlier

[kinggraham]

I buy all my music, but you've got to hand it to filesharers, they made lily allen stop making music! If they can do the same to Black Eyed Peas, I'll be a very happy man

[boogiemeister]

i dont really have the money to buy all the tunes i like, so i do download quite a lot of music illegally. I also buy loads of vynls though, lots of the time the same tunes i illegally downloaded! i see no problem in this because i'm not gonna buy the tunes i've downloaded anyway, so whats the problem with downloading it. if i didnt i wouldn't have paid for it anyways...

if everybody was as opportunistic as you, there wouldn't be any problems. The mere fact that your average artist struggles moving 500 copies of a record should tell you otherwise

[gender]

i dont think music is something that can be "owned" or "sold" as such... hence why i "illegally" (debatable) download all my music. if i want vinyl i will buy it because i feel like i am buying something (wax) which makes it worth paying for IMO... but i would never pay for an .mp3 or .flac or whatever because i am not literally buying anything... and why would i buy something i could get for free??

people whine say its killing the scene blah blah blah whatever... do you think people make livings off .mp3 downloads??? no, they make livings off playing live. ask any DJ/producer he will tell you there is no money in releases, just playing live. that is the music industry nowadays (i am in a band, so i know ) but tbh i like it that way.

also i think you'd find if you asked most producers whether they would rather you pay for their music, or not have it all, they would rather you have it for free right?

[philippo]

I buy all my music, but you've got to hand it to filesharers, they made lily allen stop making music! If they can do the same to Black Eyed Peas, I'll be a very happy man

You forgot Justin Bieber!

[thorazine]

If you want to stop file sharing then encode files with a virus that fucks up a comp or mac. keep the original good an leak the virus yourself. People would catch on an either fuck off of fuck themselves.

[dermike]

... and why would i buy something i could get for free??

Not gonna argue about that, which is what it's come to these days.. not much you can do about it, but I'm curious to find out what you think about people that actually do pay for their music? Are they just suckers, better persons, or what?

[NattyWallo]

music is information, and information wants to be free

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informatio ... to_be_free

still, buying tunes is better since you get .wav files which sounds better on big systems. And it gives you a slightly warm fuzzy feeling inside of doing good

[gez]

The only music i download illegally is tunes that i already have on vinyl. If i am paying £5.99 everytime for two songs then i think it is fair that i have a copy on my computer too!

Your never gonna beat piracy so there isn't really much point in stressing over it.

This!!! Actually want the tune not only on vinyl but also on MP3. MP3 code should be given with the vinyl like they did it with the Autechre and the Martin Buttrich album.

Most bigger dubstep labels I would assume would have their own online presence, they could put their music up on there which i presume they do. So when you buy said vinyl it should say on the sleeve or something "visit www.saidlabel.com enter this code to claim your free mp3 version", by doing that, they will get far higher hits on their site, as I would presume a lot of people would be interested in having the mp3 same as me (if I didnt switch to serato) and whilst your there you may check out other tracks on the label and buy them too.

I know the hospital records website when i collected dnb was really good with the dubplate section, it was always worth going on there to see what would be coming soon. buying from label sites generally helps the artists too as they tend to make more money off the sale as they dodge the middle man too.

I do not totally agree with the whole downloading artists music for free but can understand some situations such as to have a sample for a song etc. Some people especially the bigger producers tend to rely on their music career as their full time job and for smaller producers it is generally a helping hand to develop their home studios to help them break into the scene. I woudlnt ever steal from a shop if i wanted a new t-shirt, I would simply save up for it or not get it. I know music value is a lot smaller than that but someone has taken their time to make that music you have stolen and I think for the people that purely download music for free, never pay for it need to understand that, if someone was taking all your earnings away from you after working 40hrs a week, how would that make you feel?

[gez]

I buy all my music, but you've got to hand it to filesharers, they made lily allen stop making music! If they can do the same to Black Eyed Peas, I'll be a very happy man

I was wondering why I had been feeling happy recently

[etidorhpa]

people whine say its killing the scene blah blah blah whatever... do you think people make livings off .mp3 downloads??? no, they make livings off playing live. ask any DJ/producer he will tell you there is no money in releases, just playing live. that is the music industry nowadays (i am in a band, so i know ) but tbh i like it that way.

How many DJ's/Producers have you spoke to?
Perhaps one or two, and they're probably getting a raw deal from their record label.
Alot of labels don't have a great reputation for paying their artists, especially in D&B, but it's too convenient for blaggers like you to assume that all their money is made from live shows, it's just not the case, alot of artists rely on the payments from their labels alongside their live appearances.....and that's another issue, live shows are so saturated (in the same way the music is) that it's very difficult for artists to get regular shows.
Every bit of cash that has been thrown their way by 'their supporters' enables them to spend more time and money on improving and perfecting their art, not all producers and DJ's need or want to make a living from their music, but the least you can do is respect the time and energy taken to produce and manufacture that piece of music.