evil, scary, black metal 140 bpm murder "music"

[jolly wailer]

if you think dubstep can be anything, you gotta accept that it might be able to be defined by a wikipedia page with no references or sources

If you think Dubstep can be anything, you gotta accept that what ever anybody says about Dubstep on DSF is correct and will remain correct until another DSF member contradicts it.

thats not true

[TDubz]

If you think Dubstep can be anything, you gotta accept that what ever anybody says about Dubstep on DSF is correct and will remain correct until another DSF member contradicts it.

If you think Dubstep can be anything, you gotta accept that Seasick Steve invaded your favourite genre

[TDubz]

oh christ i was joking about neurostep...
why do people feel the need to relabel shit that has been around for ages just because it's new to them?

I dont know, but i can tell you now that ive never heard it reffered to as half step drum and bass.
i think its because maybe now it is becoming a preference in style to the rest of drum and bass for some people, or maybe its because the style is that varied that people decided to start labeling it something else.
lets be honest, not everybody knows the technicalities that goes into songs which makes them different to every other genre. i mean to people who do understand its pretty much just the exclusion of a single beat, but you've got to admit that in general, what is bieng labelled as drumstep does sound hella' different to normal drum and bass.

[TDubz]

double post AGAIN fuck.
ive got to remember to take out the quotations that the editor puts in on your post for some daft reason

[TDubz]

How come the threads debating pointless semantics about a particular subgenre last way longer than threads where people exchange information about music production and composition?



FUCKING stnuc!

less people are artists, more people are just avid listeners, that may attempt the odd crappy tune or two, like myself
and lets face it, you can go on longer when debating and arguing. when your exchanging information it pretty much goes like this
"Hey joe, check out this wicked sick reese i made! Linky"
"Thanks steve, thats a pretty awesome patch you got there!"
"Thanks!"

[deadly_habit]

oh christ i was joking about neurostep...
why do people feel the need to relabel shit that has been around for ages just because it's new to them?

I dont know, but i can tell you now that ive never heard it reffered to as half step drum and bass.
i think its because maybe now it is becoming a preference in style to the rest of drum and bass for some people, or maybe its because the style is that varied that people decided to start labeling it something else.
lets be honest, not everybody knows the technicalities that goes into songs which makes them different to every other genre. i mean to people who do understand its pretty much just the exclusion of a single beat, but you've got to admit that in general, what is bieng labelled as drumstep does sound hella' different to normal drum and bass.

yea but it's been around since like 96 without any label as just drum and bass, halfstep is just a way to explain the tempo not so much a subgenre
hell old dom and roland, amit, ram trilogy loads of artists did this stuff before this new term

[tundra]

I thought this was going to be a discussion about black metal

[TDubz]

yea but it's been around since like 96 without any label as just drum and bass, halfstep is just a way to explain the tempo not so much a subgenre
hell old dom and roland, amit, ram trilogy loads of artists did this stuff before this new term

Cant the same be said about dubstep though?
isnt that just half step garage??
but whatever, im going to give this up now lol, it seems like this is pretty much narrowing down to a bitch about drumstep rather than an arguement with a point.

I think this pretty much comes down to a disgruntled agreement that it is technically a subgenre, but it shouldnt be, and it really shouldnt be labelled as drumstep.

[wirez]

if you think dubstep can be anything, you gotta accept that it might be able to be defined by a wikipedia page with no references or sources

If you think Dubstep can be anything, you gotta accept that what ever anybody says about Dubstep on DSF is correct and will remain correct until another DSF member contradicts it.

thats not true

There's no such thing as Dubstep.

[SunkLo]

Thank god, now we can all go home!

[jolly wailer]

Cant the same be said about dubstep though?
isnt that just half step garage??

no


the 'step is from 2step, which is anything but halfstep.

that came later.

so in a sense.. drumstep is a poor genre name because if it is a contraction of drum'n'bass and dubstep.. its co-opting the 'step under the wrong pretense, dubstep is not completely about the halftime riddim, never was, although over time it became almost completely associated with it, mostly by newcomers who haven't been exposed to the origins of the sound.



this is not halfstep.

drumstep seems like a label that could have only come about by people who don't have enough historical reference - i.e. post-dubstep kids who want to model their dnb onto a halftime template - and the people like deadly, who have that reference, that vantage point, see drumstep for what it is...

personally I don't care, because I'm not that big of a dnb head, but the word drumstep just makes me think of this....




thats my take. imo

I'm not against subgenre's either. they just should be valid in some way, have a manifesto, a game plan, some reason for distinction

[FSTZ]

some good points being made

I am happy to express the fact that I am not into "babykillingstep"

[9feetofsmoke]

^great point about inbreeding i deifnitly think alot of peeps are using only dubstep influences and canabalizing shit, its another big reason i got into dubstep. dubstep presented an opportunity for me to use the sounds and inlfuences that got me into electronic music in the first place (dnb, specifically techstep/neurofunk) with out essentially biting everyone who did it before me.

^This.

[jolly wailer]

some good points being made

I am happy to express the fact that I am not into "babykillingstep"

the first 4 pages were great but now its a little OT

and yeah.. I don't really see how "evil, scary" - well, overdoing "evil scary" to the point where its immature - has any contribution to the vibes

there's darkness, and there's going too far

where's the vibes in that? seems very selfish, individualistic, not communal, how does it bring listeners in to commune?

[FSTZ]

some good points being made

I am happy to express the fact that I am not into "babykillingstep"

the first 4 pages were great but now its a little OT

and yeah.. I don't really see how "evil, scary" - well, overdoing "evil scary" to the point where its immature - has any contribution to the vibes

there's darkness, and there's going too far

where's the vibes in that? seems very selfish, individualistic, not communal, how does it bring listeners in to commune?

good for 17 year olds who wanna have a bad trip?

[FSTZ]

I'm not saying this is a bait thread....

but I never thought it'd be 7 pages of pure fun

[TDubz]

Look at house music its a mess with how hardcore people act with their subgenres.. "I'm ONLY into Tech-House not any of that electro shit" .. yes you are also a music snob and a massive tool.

I think that at the rate its going people are going to try and make parts of dubstep really elitist by giving new found sub-genres really inconspicuous names; similar to street names for drugs so nobody knows what the hell they are on about apart from them. i could just imagine the scene now...


Mike - "Hey john, you heard that new blue-cheese-step song by Dan D. Lyons"
Willis - "Ye man thats a fuckin' banger i was fucking ravin' in me room i was"
Suspisious Cop - "Hey boys, er, watchu' talkin' 'bout Willis?"
Willis - "urrhh... urrhhh.. just-"
Mike - "Music! its just music"
Willis - "Yeah, what else was it gonna be really?"
Cop - "Well..."


...Yeah, i know it was kind of corny, but im no shakespeare

[abZ]

oh christ i was joking about neurostep...
why do people feel the need to relabel shit that has been around for ages just because it's new to them?

I dont know, but i can tell you now that ive never heard it reffered to as half step drum and bass.
i think its because maybe now it is becoming a preference in style to the rest of drum and bass for some people, or maybe its because the style is that varied that people decided to start labeling it something else.
lets be honest, not everybody knows the technicalities that goes into songs which makes them different to every other genre. i mean to people who do understand its pretty much just the exclusion of a single beat, but you've got to admit that in general, what is bieng labelled as drumstep does sound hella' different to normal drum and bass.

It's just hype. I had a lot higher expectations for half step dnb. I thought it would take off years ago but I think a lot of the dnb community is to smug to make tunes that blatantly is influenced by dubstep. I find it pretty sad. Conversely I find it sad that a lot of dubstep heads think dnb is pure trash. Anyway hype yeah, it is just something for mc's or radio hosts to shout out to make it sound like they are playing something super up front. The stuff they call drumstep to me sounds exactly like clown step except with half time drums. An outsider wouldn't be able to tell the difference. There is some really good half time dnb out there tho, they just don't really have a buzzword for it. Why would you, it is just dnb with half freaking time drums!

[abZ]

some good points being made

I am happy to express the fact that I am not into "babykillingstep"

the first 4 pages were great but now its a little OT

and yeah.. I don't really see how "evil, scary" - well, overdoing "evil scary" to the point where its immature - has any contribution to the vibes

there's darkness, and there's going too far

where's the vibes in that? seems very selfish, individualistic, not communal, how does it bring listeners in to commune?

But it DOES bring in the listeners so everything you are saying is moot. If no one liked it there would be no point in making it so it wouldn't exist. It doesn't bother me anymore than some party in town with a bunch of happy hardcore djs because I am not going to either shows. I insist people are too caught up in categories. Let it go.

[jolly wailer]

fair enough.