Edinburgh Dubstep Documentary

[DFRNT]

I'm sure there is but you'd be surprised how hard it is to get people involved on a zero budget production, would have loved to get some bigger names on there.

Nobody approached me about this - not an email, nothing.

I'd have happily contributed, heck I have access to equipment, editing stuff and happen to know that at least two or three other producers would have felt the same way.

I'm not here to start a flame war - It's not about that - I just want to make sure everyone is represented properly, you know.

[Brave Sir Robin]

not having akira kiteshi there is kind of weird.
according to this video everybody there plays badly produced wobbles and takes meph which is obviously not how it is.
it's ok to big up your crew just don't label it as a dubstep documentary imho

[abs]

well done for making it, but fuck me... some annoying stnuc in that film, turned off pretty soon into it.

also, who gives a shit about what drugs some twats are on???

[skitz_0]

[akira kiteshi]

Hmmmm... To be honest, I'm really suprised that Morphamish, Neil Landstrumm and DFRNT aren't in this vid. All doing very big things for dubstep and electronic music in Edinburgh! I've never heard of any of the guys in the video, and no disrespect but they didn't come across that well...
As with DFRNT, if I had been approached and asked to take part, I would have done!
It's a nicely made little doc, but I don't think it's a very accurate representation of 'the dubstep scene' in Edinburgh to be honest.

[Roflrilla]

Your history at the beginning is a bit flawed. Very brief, and flawed.

Mephedrone lolz. Tempted to turn off there. Don't like the fact it's primarily about drugs. Sick studio set up though on that 'almighty cornelius' guy. 24" iMac, webcam, and a bit of masking tape. Wheres the monitors?

Wtf with the tune the 3rd guy was playing



Overall, alright effort. Poor research and execution, and not thoroughly informative.

From your video I have discovered that 50g of mcat bought for £1,000, broken up and sold in individual half a gram bags for £15 a pop is mad profit. And everyone in Scotland loves midrange tearout bollocks - which I know from other sources, isn't the case.

[Dubpie]

Hey guys

First of all, totally blown away that DFRNT and Akira Kiteshi are in this thread talking to me. As a student film maker, you get told to fuck off a lot. No one wants to talk to you and if you have no money to pay people they are generally not interested (zero budget here lol). As a result you have to make the best with what you can within a timeframe that you can afford. And to be blatantly honest, if you listen to people on your iPod enough they seem to enter that 'famous' person category in your head, and I just didn't think to try to get in touch with you guys, although i'm kicking myself right now!
I'm sorry if you guys didn't like the way I represented Edinburgh
Please remember this is all still student stuff, it was actually done as a secondary project that had very severe constraints in length and if it didn't represent the scene as you know it then again I apologize! This is my first documentary, and I think among music producers I can find a sympathy vote - what were your very first tracks like? In the future it will be better and I'll make one everyone in this forum can be proud of lol
Maybe if you have time in the future we can do this properly!

[tactus]

This documentary is not a true representation of "Edinburgh Dubstep", as the are so many highly reputable producers, club nights and DJs not even mentioned.

I think if it was named differently and presented as something else, it would not have raised so much debate.

I think its well put together, and am grateful to Tim, but I think so much more could have been incorporated and thought about. It probably is partly due to the guys not being from Edinburgh and not enough research being put into it. Research is definitely the key!

I was also surprised at some of the footage that was used and focused on, I think centering more on the music and going into details of different producers/DJs could have made it more interesting, but I guess this was down to time limitations which made it more of a Bongo and ABAGA Records affair.

All in all, I don't think it should have been called "Edinburgh Dubstep", but I think the guys did a good job of putting a video together.

[Roflrilla]

This is my first documentary, and I think among music producers I can find a sympathy vote - what were your very first tracks like?

Bruv dunno if you know me yeah, but the first tune I made was signed within 4 days coz it woz complete and utter banger! Didn't even have to master it and it's already sold nuff copies and been in Eastenders at least 8 times and Corrie maybe twice where the gay bloke in the knittin house was arguin and nearly had a fight but don't watch that. Now man got signed to a major with a 30k advance and then I spent it all and blew it up my nose and now i am certified gangsta and still owe dem two albums lol

Nah but on a serious level, you have an image of a shop where it all started, and it's mixing records for fucks sake.

Quick google gives me this pic of Benga and Skream in big apple, would have been more fitting:

For more see Blackdowns flicker

[Dubpie]

Nah but on a serious level, you have an image of a shop where it all started, and it's mixing records for fucks sake.

Quick google gives me this pic of Benga and Skream in big apple, would have been more fitting

Quick look on the page tells you all rights reserved
The mixing records shop picture is public domain

[promo]

Well speak for yourself dude. I think its pretty sad if people just get smashed or get out of their head on drugs to appreciate good music - real fuckin' wasteman sad.

[DFRNT]

I appreciate the fact that you've gone for it and made this. It's more than I've done in this department - and there's much to be said for just getting off arses and doing stuff - so I applaude that.

I can also understand the need for people to be in it for opinions - and the Abaga fellas are nice dudes, so no harm done. THat said - if you don't ask, you don't get - and dubstep is one of the genres where I find people are far more approachable than most.

I'm aware of the deadlines and time constraints imposed by colleges and universities when it comes to this sort of thing too. I used to throw absolute tosh together a night before a hand-in just to get something done, although I've definately changed my attitude to deadlines since.

So as much as I don't think it's spot-on - I would say it's a start. It's a step in the right direction, and there's no harm in that.

I would say, as someone else pointed out - that research is key, from someone who's been in to dubstep for a while (not since its inception, but for a good 4 or 5 years now) and also from someone who was born and raised in Edinburgh. I think both Edinburgh and DUbstep have much more to offer, both individually and combined than the documentary shows.

The drug thing is just not required really - we all know people go out, get pissed, take drugs and party - whatever. THat's not exclusively dubstep, nor is it anything to do with Edinburgh - that section just goes ot highlight some of the village clowns we get up here.

If you plan on doing something like this again - I would suggest you get some heads together, and really put down a proper plan - a statement of intent, and stick to it - look to represent the scene and the city properly. I'd like to see people thinking positively about what we have in Scotland (not even just Edinburgh) because there's some serious talent coming out of all our cities - artists, musicians and promoters - there's the potential for a cracking rundown of the scene up here as it stands today - and I'll bet you hardly anyone would grudge you an interview, or some assistance. Granted, you'd have to find time to fit everyone in when it suited them - but small sacrifices have to be made when there's a good product waiting to happen at the end of the process.

So, don't be a stranger - I'm keen to push the Edinburgh and Scottish scene as much as we can, both heavy and deep, both chilled and experimental, wobble or not. I have a few thoughts on something I'd like to try too - but in the meantime, hopefully this feedback, and everyone elses (provided you can take it with a pinch of salt) should help. Heck, I dare say it might be handy if you have a critique in class or whatever - then you can tell them how some of the people involved took it. I dare say they might even applaude your abiolity to take constructive criticism.

[promo]

Cool film, but what's wrong with garage exactly?

Not enough wobble apparently or not 'avin it 'ard enough.

[tactus]

if you don't ask, you don't get

= pretty true, because we weren't even asked if we can hook you up with other guys to chat to, so it ended up being more "ABAGA" than "Edinburgh". Loads of folk in Edinburgh are real approachable and would've been happy to help out. It was made with good intentions, but slagging off genres and talking about drugs (which is not specific to dubstep in Edinburgh) is not going to get many keen onlookers. Constructive criticism is all I'm offering. I think a true direction was lacking in this video. With a few more e-mails/phone calls it could have been something real good.

I think editing/quality-wise it is nicely done, so big ups for that guys, and it'll just keep getting better. Cheers wappin my tuneage in there I look forward to seeing your next one

[electric eliminator]

She's right about Glenrothes!

[tactus]

Aye, Glasgow has plenty goin on. That was from a Scott aswel

[Dubpie]

Thanks for the critique guys.

Just a few things, this was not actually meant to be a film that only people who care about Dubstep would watch, so it's got the club parts for that reason, because it's pretty amusing and interesting for the average viewer. Also when I say that I had a time limit I mean that the doc could only actually go on for around ten minutes. I think we've got different ideas of what this was meant to be and I guess it's probably not really cut out for dissection in the Dubstep community as such, more of a quick look into the scene from the outside. Next time I'm up I will have to do it differently...

[asa]

in all honesty it just looks a bit lazy, i know its hard with no budget but surely you could of done more than just get a couple of mates from a digital music course at uni who have fruity loops and one has a mac... i mean i didnt even spot any decent monitors, it just all seemed very amateurish to me..... because evidently Edinburgh has ALOT to offer, not even just bait wobbly producers but genuinely a really diverse bunch of producers who are on the top of their game. then again the editing was smooth and stuff, cant fault you there or anything - its just the content....

'Imagine making a star trek movie, then sitting in a forum with 50 trekkies critiquing you. Sigh'

- spotted this elsewhere... i don't think people on here would appriciate being compared to 'trekkies' if you did'nt want honest and constructive feedback then dont ask for it in the first place.

[miscreant]

Some mega cringe lols at this video

I'd i.d the wee guy and his bird for a fucking sunday sport let alone let them in my club, dictating what the future of drugs will be.

I think enough of a roasting has been given so I'll keep my criticisms to myself.

Good work on the editing though, for a first time its pretty good!

[jolly wailer]

if you were looking to attract the attention of police and concerned parents I'd say the exposure was spot on