My DAW is better than yours! (Friendly DAW Wars debate)

[futures_untold]

Reaper can be used so much faster than FL for so many things. For instance, reshuffling the order of insert effects requires a right click menu in FL, whereas in Reaper it is simply drag 'n' drop!

I remember trying to route Poise (drum VSTi) to multiple outputs in FL. I found that to be a complete pain in the butt tbh...

But then I'm not overly familiar with all of FL's foibles and peculiarities.

I actually started out on FL before learning Reason. I found it easier to use than Reason before Reason was explained to me properly.

Now I know better, that I must try for myself what works best. From experience I've learnt that Reaper is the best solution ever to exist for every problem ever.

[nowaysj]

Re the fx stack, just hover your mouse over the particular fx and scroll up or down, it couldn't be easier. You don't even have to drag.

Re Poise's multiouts, I was just going to try out poise, i don't know why, cause I already have fpc for free, but anyway, it's just the same as with any other instrument, just assign the mutli out to the mixer channel you want. There is no easier way than that.

[GV1]

Is this debate still going on? You'd think you all have nothing better to do in life but compare your penis size.

Get over it, each to their own. Simple as that. If your making club bangers in Music 2000 good for you. If your making bangers in Logic Pro good for you to0.

[futures_untold]

Poise is a joy to use, and it's skinnable

FPC looks pretty slick too, but as you said, it's slightly redundant in FL with the pattern edit/sampler channels.

[nowaysj]

Is this debate still going on? You'd think you all have nothing better to do in life but compare your penis size.

Get over it, each to their own. Simple as that. If your making club bangers in Music 2000 good for you. If your making bangers in Logic Pro good for you to0.

Shut the fuck up you piece of shit, no one is talking to you.

[nowaysj]

FPC looks pretty slick too, but as you said, it's slightly redundant in FL with the pattern edit/sampler channels.

Serves a different function. Used mainly for live controller programing. Easier to layer, etc etc etc.

[GV1]

Is this debate still going on? You'd think you all have nothing better to do in life but compare your penis size.

Get over it, each to their own. Simple as that. If your making club bangers in Music 2000 good for you. If your making bangers in Logic Pro good for you to0.

Shut the fuck up you piece of shit, no one is talking to you.

^^ This dude got bullied at school. He has a serious attitude problem. Bless him.

[nowaysj]

I wasn't bullied in school, I've got no patience for little twat buggers like you.

[GV1]

I wasn't bullied in school, I've got no patience for little twat buggers like you.

This is a forum. I don't need invitation or permission to speak lmao. You're hyping up like you have some sort of authority. I'm afraid you have none on the Internet.

This is a pointless debate. As I said you use what you use, they use what they use. It's really not about what software or hardware you're using but the final product printed on wax/cd.

[nowaysj]

This is a pointless debate. That is the point. You stupid fuck, you still don't understand what is going on.

[futures_untold]

This thread is purposefully waste.

From the outset it has been about comparing and harshly ridiculing the slightest differences in programs which for all intents and purposes can achieve identical results.

For those of us who enjoy wasting time being pedantic over the minutest of details, it is a fun!

I've learnt more about my own program of choice by being shown up in this endless & unwinnable debate.

Who gives a bollocks about music when we can indulge in featuritis comparisons and gear fetishism?

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EDIT: Technology is always improved by constant nitpicking over the details and by comparisons against the competition. The end result is we now have amazing music software which wasn't available 5 years ago.

Example is beat slicing. Originally Propellerhead innovated with the REX format. Today Recycle is slack compared tot he inbuilt sliing features of almost every other DAW available haha!

[GV1]

This is a pointless debate. That is the point. You stupid fuck, you still don't understand what is going on.

You had to much to drink tonight? Smoked to much crack? Your Internet gangsta attitude is making you look stupid.

[futures_untold]

Keep it on topic ladies!

[Depone]

Noways, its true, im a reasonable guy but fuck me you have an attitude problem today in particular...

Make some awesome music, then we can talk

[victoryaloy]

yeah.. post in a thread just to bash people posting in the thread.. it doesn't really make since!!

As pointless as these debates are.. I actually learn a lot!!

how many people actually know, in depth, all the daws that are being brought up!
i know i don't!

yeah.. each to there own.. by why not learn more about other programs?
I think the best way to compare is actually from a bias debate.. people who care about what they use will fight for it in any way possible.. bringing out things that some people might have not know about!!

I don't think there are many people itt that actually take to heart someone saying "Ableton sucks" or "reason sounds like shit"
but there is some knowledge when people explain that "ableton sucks because you have to blah blah blah.. but in this DAW you only have to blah blah blah"

idk just my opinion!

[futures_untold]

^^ This ^^

Reaper is my prefered DAW of choice because the workflow is fast and simple and it can be fully customised to my visual preferences too.

Everything else sucks because it is too expensive, looks like shit and never gets updated with user feature requests haha.

[Depone]

^^ This ^^

Reaper is my prefered DAW of choice because the workflow is fast and simple and it can be fully customised to my visual preferences too.

Everything else sucks because it is too expensive, looks like shit and never gets updated with user feature requests haha.

Your a tough cookie to crumble aren't you

Go on then, how much commission are you charging Cockos?

[futures_untold]

£0.00

This thread has kept me amused whilst writing other threads for the Production Bible v3.

What is worse is that I'd ditch Reaper in a second if I discovered something I found slicker.

I'm such a whore

[futures_untold]

I've just had a look at the page source for you Mat.

There is one closing tag missing in the header, just at the end of the body style.

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Should sort out the random stuff in the screenshot I sent you.

[SunkLo]

This is a pointless debate. That is the point. You stupid fuck

Technology is always improved by constant nitpicking over the details and by comparisons against the competition. The end result is we now have amazing music software which wasn't available 5 years ago.

Definitely agree with this. Comparing minute details between programs brings people's attention to where their software is lacking and possibly how to go about fixing that. Like "yeah now that you mention it, that process is kind of time consuming... I use it enough to be bothered so I think I'm going to create a hot-key that does it all for me." By being critical of our work flow, we learn ways to improve it.

Plus it's fun insulting things that other people are incredibly loyal to. Which reminds me, I don't understand why people use Macs when Windows is so obviously better
...Don't really have the heart to argue that debate right now, my windows partition won't boot. Done several restores and a bios update and still getting BSODs. In Billy Gates' defence I'm pretty sure it's not a software problem, but still, my Ubuntu partition works great.

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Now children it's time for my response to criticisms of Reaper!

Just my thoughts after reading Depone's review.

All the things that make it confusing at first are all the things that make it so versatile once you get used to it.
I hated it at first but took a bit of time to figure out its 'have it your way philosophy' and now I really enjoy it.
The menus have a lot of shit in them, yes. But that's so that you can right click on anything and get pretty much any option that you'd want immediately in the drop down menu. There's some add ons for it that organize the menus into more subcategories if you like it more organized. Personally I hate having to hop through a bunch of submenus, I'd just rather have one big long mothermenu that's got most of what I'm looking for.

Also the "this program does this procedure with less clicks" argument does not stand up for reaper. You want some some lengthy complicated process done faster? Boom create a short-cut. Now reaper does it with one button. Yes it might take a bit of time, especially when you're not familiar with the hot-key editor, but ultimately, you'll end up with software that fits your preferences much better.
The zoom scroll and snap settings are different between midi editor and sequencer window yes, but again it's a versatility thing.

Also you can't try to use a new program and immediately go about making it work like your old program. It's like trying to compare new and old girlfriends. If you focus on how the new program works you'll get a lot farther towards building a workflow that works for it. Because, like it or not, the program is going to influence your work flow. You have to work around it as much as it has to work around you. If this were not the case you'd be able to just think music into a sensor and it would make it for you.

In fact the reason there's a whole thread of people saying "I like mine better, I tried yours but it sucks" is because people have simply developed their work-flow alongside the particular applications they use and have a hard time translating it to something different. Unfortunately we're dealing with computers and programs that need things in very explicit terms, but once we learn how to cooperate with the application, it becomes more intuitive and second nature.

Each program has a slightly different way of dealing with things which may be more or less parallel to the way a person is used to working. The thing I love about Reaper though, is it tries to give you everything and then lets you whittle it down to how you want it. A large part of its philosophy is customization, be it the hot-keys, the custom toolbars and panels, different skins, add on packs, or the ability to make feature requests that will actually get implemented quickly. Depone's review is a great example of some of the things that might set you off it at first, but take some time with it, learn how it does things, read the manual of course, and customize it to your liking and you'll find it will fit you like a glove.

If you're looking for something simple, it might not be the best choice straight out of the box, but versatility is where it really shines.

-SunkLo, the DSF resident novelist