indiestep

[shonky]

hmmm well we dont want our scene littered with the bangwagon brigade

Any more than it is already...

Presuming that not everyone was born a dubstepper then presumably everyone's a bandwagon jumper at some point.

And are they getting into the sound cause they like it or cause it's hip (I wouldn't even go that far - couple of thousand pressing runs, hardly bigtime is it)

[gravious]

Same here, I even started to be called an emo by some people because of listening to dubstep
Some people dont seem to be able to grasp the difference between moody and depressing.

This thread is emo.



I've not worked out yet whether it is moody or depressing though...

[the wiggle baron]

I'd say more melancholy.
Interesting, yet unsettling...

[slothrop]

hmmm well we dont want our scene littered with the bangwagon brigade

Any more than it is already...

Presuming that not everyone was born a dubstepper then presumably everyone's a bandwagon jumper at some point.

And are they getting into the sound cause they like it or cause it's hip (I wouldn't even go that far - couple of thousand pressing runs, hardly bigtime is it)

They might give it a listen because it's hip, but I'd be surprised if many people stayed unless they actually like it. Especially since the NME's also telling them that the Kaiser Chiefs are the Coolest. Thing. Ever. so they don't really need to listen to dubstep to be "cool."

[elgato]

it is there, and if you want to disentangle it from the influence of class then here's an example: the NME ran in the past with lots of coverage of Oasis, pitched against Blur in some mock class war. Yet they'd never run the same coverage of grime acts over Haduken.

basically UK black urban artists are NOT given the same chances by the NME and the whole rock press as UK white urban music. Compare the successes of Lady Sov, The Streets, Plan B with say... the rest of grime.

very strong post

but i dont feel its that straightforward to disentangle race from class, i think there needs to be an idea of identity involved which stretches beyond skin colour. because not only are the above artists white in skin, they write music which appeals to a broad range of white middle class people. if someone pitched a white grime mc who was angry, spoke about the issues of the truly impoverished areas of the UK with passion and vigour, but in a way which ultimately the wider audience couldnt relate to, would they get a deal/feature in NME? likewise if you had a white northen mc who spoke exclusively about location-specific issues then its hard to imagine they would succeed.

but its undoubtedly the case imo that a black artist has a steeper hill to climb

it just gets so complex, i dont really know where to start trying to disentangle it

the whole issue of rock v urban acts (black or white) is complicated by cyclical relationships, ones that benifit rock and supress the urban music, such as:

PR > media coverage > audience size > PR coverage... .

These relationships work such that at each occasion UK urban acts aren't given a chance to get to the next stage of the cycle, it is masked how good the music is and how big it could be. "oh but nobody likes it," a rock critic could say, but then is it any surprise?

this has always frustrated me, because songs dont have an intrinsic popularity alone, a popularity is affected by how many people are exposed to it, which has been proven time and time again when some "niche" instrumental dance tune gets put on an advert and suddenly everyone likes it. the tune's the same, so why is it more popular? exposure...

so true

[the wiggle baron]

Jesus, this thread is getting far too intense for me.

If anyone else feels the same, heres a load of bunnies. http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 574#191574

[cogi]

Remember Statik's grindie mixtape? I thought that was pretty fun to listen to.

I think this can be settled into pros and cons of hadouken

pros: Hopefully widening audience for underground artists in UK (grime and maybe dubstep) at least they mention FWD.

Indie kids get to go to a "rave" or at least sumthin a bit like it.

They laugh at themselves and their scene unlike the dubstep scene which is held sacrosanct by its members and many artists.

From Leeds. No one else cares though.

cons:They actually suck. Their lyrics are funny but they are overall unlistenable.

Grime may now be associated with Hadouken.

There are others more deserving of this following, but thats life eh.

It's probably a class and race issue, more subconscious than overt. If a white middle class kid takes the piss out of ghetto culture he probably isn't intentionally being racist or "classist", its simply very difficult to relate.

Also can I point out all this myspace hype is often bollocks. Record companies can even hire people out to create fake friends and views for your profile. Myspace creates small hype then newspapers and magazines report it making it significant.

[badger]

all i can say to this is oh dear. more terrible music for the pretentious twats who follow the ridiculous 'new rave' movement

[doomstep]

This isn't something new.

Elvis anyone?

[doomstep]

I love how much certain guys hate it tho


squarewave bass in pop tunes is fine by me - but would someone please buy these lads a 5150 n tell him to scoop the fuk outta the mids - proper grateing

[tronman]

saw this NME thing this morning

harhar

theres a good piece in the new Time Out London about police involvement in the london club scene, mainly grime..

[metalboxproducts]

all i can say to this is oh dear. more terrible music for the pretentious twats who follow the ridiculous 'new rave' movement

New rave?

Those fucks will fall for any bullshit journalist invented scene wont they. It shows how desperate the are. "Please let there be a scene even if it's made up".

[paulie]

the ridiculous 'new rave' movement

This sounds great, expand please?

[n-type]

Sund like sum one cattin

[luke.envoy]

muvver of god no

[forensix (mcr)]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Rave

[digital]

I couldn't be bothered to read 8 pages of this but I listened to the tunes and can't stand them.

They make my ears bleed.

[bagelator]

Got a feeling that (and in one case certainty) that probably some of the disses are coming from people that used to play in indie bands but didn't do quite so well - heh heh heh

This is probably the right time to admit, I used to play bass in the longpigs

crikey i have that album somewhere...

To be honest, I know Dr Venom used to write rhymes a few years back, and he was pretty fucking good.
I guess he tried to come from a different angle or something. But it just stinks of corperate brainstorming, yknow?
"Tell you what Larry.... no ones done that Grime business yet"
"My good god, you're right tarquin, "

sounds about right. is this dr. venom anything to do with scandalous ultd?

personally i find that sound a dispiriting dirge with a fanbase of shoreditch twats thinking they hench. sucker music - it blows. yeah it's just pop music, it's not threatening, it's just cack.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Rave

running short on ideas Marketing Bods? Nah, didn't think so.

[4linehaiku]

the ridiculous 'new rave' movement

This sounds great, expand please?

It's not. That's all the expansion you need.

[crazydave]

Could be the end of dubstep as we know it if NME jump on the bandwagon. There'll be stnuc in tight black jeans spazzing out to skream tracks inbetween the gossip and get cape, wear cape, die in gay discos all over the country

The NME bandwagon is indeed something to be feared.

In related news, Nu-Rave can officially suck my balls.