Sampling bass from other producers

[Hurtdeer]

Sampling a bass synth is completely different in my eyes. The sound of "dubstep" has a lot to do with the technical craft of making the sounds. For instance when you hear a massive sound you think, "holy crap, how is that made? What is going on with this?"

nah man, only us nerdy producers do this. The average listener could not give a toss beyond WOAH BRO HEEEAVVVYYY

[jolly wailer]

Sampling has become more and more frowned upon over the years to the point where copyrights have become the biggest problem in music. There was a time when sampling was completely legal with no real consequences, and no one seemed to really give a shit until a few select people decided they weren't going to have it, and then created sort of a copyright revolution.

People started giving a shit when producers started making millions off of sampling records. Copyright is about money

[jolly wailer]

and yeah, sampling within yr genre... er wait, sampling a bassline from a dubstep producer?


fucking WACK. plain as...



that shit is laughable

[hasezwei]

there was a guy doing this in the breakcore scene too, shit was wack. i mean breakcore was all about who could do the most mindblowing amen/breakbeat edits, sampling other people's stuff is like... i dunno, like you have a drawing competition and you just photocopy parts of the other contestants works and paste it together. you could argue it's a collage but first and foremost it's stealing other people's work.

[Olux]

So whats the common oppinion on drum loops, percussion loops etc. IMO it's not the same to use shortcuts like loops and shit. I can dig sampling sounds from loops and maybe the odd tom roll or what have you, but arranging mainly loops into a song seems a little like cheating. And most music listeners don't have a clue how much work and origionality the artist is putting in. Further more, Live shows. When i pay to see a professional producer play live i expect something more than just mixing the tunes they have written together. That's what a DJ is for. I saw an interview with Bassnectar (who i think is great) about the last burning man festival in the US. In the interview the interviewer asked Bassnectar how he deals with the large amounts of sand blown onto the stage during the festival. Bassnectar said he didn't want to ruin his equipment so he just mixed his set from 2 CDJ's... WTF! Seriously?.. Is it just me or is that kinda lame? Another example is in Australia (Melbourne) at the Rainbow Serpent festival - Alot of the acts hired to play were Dj's. Now i don't want to be a bitch, but i would much rather listen to an average producer showcasing his origional talent than a DJ getting any kinda credit for mixing other ppls tracks together. Especially when there are so many brilliant producers going without work out there. And for me it's just not the same. Sorry to any DJ's out there, i'm just not a fan of what you do. Join a radio station or something. PEACE!

[dav.id]

i never use loops, if I do I chop em and use single samples or re-arange it

it's like using presets and change nothing but 100 times worse IMO

[Hurtdeer]

there was a guy doing this in the breakcore scene too, shit was wack. i mean breakcore was all about who could do the most mindblowing amen/breakbeat edits, sampling other people's stuff is like... i dunno, like you have a drawing competition and you just photocopy parts of the other contestants works and paste it together. you could argue it's a collage but first and foremost it's stealing other people's work.

but breakcore is one of the most heavily sample-ridden styles there is. It's a bit of an odd notion that Venetian Snares can write an entire tune around a Siouxsie and the Banshees song without really giving much credit- and that's fine- but as soon as something like that is done within the scene, it's stealing?

I'm not doubting it's lazy- because it is- but it's not really stealing. The original track is still there and people generally are going to like it and praise it a lot better than the copy. Same with the drawing competition. It's kind of lazy too but it doesn't change the fact that the copied work is usually completely different to the source material

Also (in my opinion) the "who can do the craziest edits" side of breakcore is so dry. it's just like guitar solo wankery. Snares is already better at it than anyone else and yet his tunes actually manage to carry a lot depth to them

[Depone]

and yeah, sampling within yr genre... er wait, sampling a bassline from a dubstep producer?


fucking WACK. plain as...



that shit is laughable

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[hasezwei]

there was a guy doing this in the breakcore scene too, shit was wack. i mean breakcore was all about who could do the most mindblowing amen/breakbeat edits, sampling other people's stuff is like... i dunno, like you have a drawing competition and you just photocopy parts of the other contestants works and paste it together. you could argue it's a collage but first and foremost it's stealing other people's work.

but breakcore is one of the most heavily sample-ridden styles there is. It's a bit of an odd notion that Venetian Snares can write an entire tune around a Siouxsie and the Banshees song without really giving much credit- and that's fine- but as soon as something like that is done within the scene, it's stealing?

I'm not doubting it's lazy- because it is- but it's not really stealing. The original track is still there and people generally are going to like it and praise it a lot better than the copy. Same with the drawing competition. It's kind of lazy too but it doesn't change the fact that the copied work is usually completely different to the source material

Also (in my opinion) the "who can do the craziest edits" side of breakcore is so dry. it's just like guitar solo wankery. Snares is already better at it than anyone else and yet his tunes actually manage to carry a lot depth to them

i don't see it as stealing as in copyright infringement or theft or whatever, it's stealing as in taking someone elses work and act like it's yours and then get applauded for that. all in all it boils down to the "don't sample within your genre" thing.

brostep = wobbles + drums + bass
brocore = amenz + whatever + bass
obviously the wobblez/amenz are the thing that makes bros shout FILTH!!11, the defining feature of your MAD CHOON. so if you just go and sample that, that's L A Z Y. the result acutally is not even your tune, as least the parts of it which matter the most to the listener aren't yours. imitating someone's style is unoriginal, but doing what is basically a bootleg remix without credit to the original artist is offensive

[sixth sense]

This is just not right one of the best parts of production for me is spending hours designing bass and I'm sure it's the same for datsik/excision and then this guy just goes and steals all that hard work and calls it his own what a fool I say we boycott him in some immense way

[jsills]

there is a distinct difference between sampling and stealing. in the proper hands sampling is an artform (ski beats, burial). stealing....you should get your hands chopped off.

[jolly wailer]

let's even stop discussing sampling in this case


because it's not


its biting

[CBK81]

This is just ridiculous. He should call the tune what it is, a fucking remix.

[reignstep]

This is just ridiculous. He should call the tune what it is, a fucking remix.

Less than a remix , more like a mashup...

[narcissus]

yeah, fuck this. this kinda shit is gonna give dubstep a bad name.

[KingNoble]

For a new producer like myself, this is extremely irritating. I finally just left a comment on the youtube page, so hopefully all those praising him on there will wake up. For me, designing the bass synth is the hardest part of building the track. Im sure my tunes would sound 100 times better if i sampled a well known producers bass, but i think i would lose all respect for myself. Plus, why would i want my music to sound just like the next guys? This tool is giving the middle finger to anyone who produces. Just trying to gain fans from others hard work. Easy way to go from sounding like a 6 month producer to 6 years. Uugh!

[deadly_habit]

For a new producer like myself, this is extremely irritating. I finally just left a comment on the youtube page, so hopefully all those praising him on there will wake up.

it won't
i got flamed and told i knew nothing about dnb by some tweeny bopper mt eden fan when i called em out for straight jacking a whole roni size and dj die remix on the second drop of one of their remixes back when. 90% of the people who leave those comments on all these producers have never even been to a party or show, bought any music, or have any clue of the scenes they bandwagon jump on besides what youtube links tell them to like.

[revdaxx]

WAAAAY back in the day, in my techno era, I of course loved Higher State of Consciousness by Josh Wink. Then 2 guys called Porn Kings basically chopped up the tune and released it under their own name. Wink commented that it was a well cheeky thing to do but, Don that he is, took no action. The Porn Kings tune was banging, everyone knew it was a rip off but we loved it nevertheless.

So the moral of this tale is, er, I dunno.... that ravers just wanna have fun?

[wormcode]

Musical lncest... makes for a fucked up gene pool and ugly offspring. The families tend to die off quickly.


Edit: Haha, apparently also gets you wordfiltered. "tsecni" that is...

[slothrop]

Tbh I'm of the opinion that anything's fair game provided you're doing it to make an exciting, original, powerful tune.

If you can start from "I think therefore I am" and get to "it's okay to sample single hits but not whole melodies" or whatever then a lot of philosophy professors would like to hear from you... rules like that that you follow are probably things that work for you, but they aren't some sort of universal commandments - and there are always exceptions.

F'rinstance, the oldskool hardcore / jungle guys used to sample loads of stuff off each other, but because they were interested in pushing the envelope in all sorts of ways it'd be "right, that's a mentasm I got off a Tom & Jerry tune, now what else can I do with this tune..." so the whole thing kept moving forwards - arguably a lot faster than dubstep has, despite the number of people in this scene who are all about designing their own sounds for maximum originality.

IMO sampling someone else's bass to make a boring derivative predicatable tune that sounds like an obvious knockoff of the thing you sampled is basically shit because it's making a boring derivative predictable tune not because it's breaking the rules - it'd still be shit if they'd laboriously created the whole thing on a synth they made out of bits of scrap metal and programmed using punch cards. In fact, I think I get more wound up by people who are really sanctimonious about doing everything yourself from scratch but still make really predictable tunes...