This subforum is completely []necessary

[skimpi]

I think room 2 is a good name for this sub forum cos then more people might come in here, as i can imagine people being like 'I like martyn, joy orbison and some steppy shuffley stuff, but i dont like house thats shit, so i wont go in there'

I think this forum does alright without this kind of short sightedness anyway.

exactly, I don't see the point in playing down House just so more Dubstep fans will post here, pointless

ahh yeah, i mean i wouldnt want people like that in here, its just i sure someone mentioned earlier on in this about getting more people in here?

but yeah leave it as it is, i dont care ill still come here more than i go to the others

[badger]

this just inspired some reflections
i'm sad about the direction i feel dubstep has taken. i still support by buying dubstep records i like week in week out even if they dont get played out that often. after discovering dubstep in 2005 - 3 or 4 years later I found myself a bit lost with cruder riff based sludgey bangers on the one hand (more and more resembling heavy rock) and more thoughtful uber-deep bits on the other - both of which i like when done well in my judgement but becoming a bit too predictable at times.
tuffer ukfunky and soulful house sounded fresh and invigorating by contrast and as an antidote - it was music to escape too whilst dubstep got 'big' and swam round in a circle waiting for people to catch up en mass, which you cant blame it for but did get a bit boring for some longer-term fans.
the garage influence reappearing was refreshing too so a drift towards these new hybrid areas felt natural. also having been into house and techno in my pre-dubstep days, I can bring out older things and mix with the new.
straight-up bandwagon jumpers will expose themselves. i'll keep an ear on dubstep and continue to buy the bits that turn me on, but hope this explains why i found my way to here, rather than it just being the attraction of something new.

pretty much the same for me. i had a honeymoon period where i stopped listening to pretty much everything other than dubstep, which wasn't really healthy, and i inevitably got bored and started looking for something else to get me excited and the forum was very kind in pointing me in all sorts of interesting directions. and shortly after dubstep started mutating and percussiveness started to get more prevalent again and hooked me back once again

you may get posts in here that no one in here wants cos it doesn fit with house

forums tend to self-moderate themselves. if someone posts something that no-ones feeling and no-one comments then it falls down the page and eventually onto page 2 and doesn't get seen by most, assuming the original poster doesn't constantly bump the thread. that's why it's so annoying when people insist on engaging with trolls in the main forum and having pointless arguments for 20 pages

not to sound picky but there's an awful lot of juke in here.....

Juke being an evolution of chicago house

beat me to it. juke is house, even if it's sped up a lot compared to most. hell, uk funky is sped up a lot compared to "original" house

i dont think it's meant as a strict definition but more a signpost.

[Littlefoot]

not to sound picky but there's an awful lot of juke in here.....

Juke being an evolution of chicago house

Sorry I am being just being a nitpicker now on purpose, but the same could be said about Dubstep and UKG (which is essentially our take on the trad house style)

[boxxy]

yeah, that argument is pretty moot, everything can be traced backwards. where do you draw the line?

[badger]

Sorry I am being just being a nitpicker now on purpose, but the same could be said about Dubstep and UKG (which is essentially our take on the trad house style)

and? are you just arguing for the sake of arguing here?

dubstep is a continuation of ukg, which is our take on us garage, which is essentially house, house is an evolution of disco, bread is an evolution of wheat, dvd is an evolution of VHS, VHS wouldn't exist if it wasn't for films... bla bla blaaa

[Littlefoot]

Sorry I am being just being a nitpicker now on purpose, but the same could be said about Dubstep and UKG (which is essentially our take on the trad house style)

and? are you just arguing for the sake of arguing here?

dubstep is a continuation of ukg, which is our take on us garage, which is essentially house, house is an evolution of disco, bread is an evolution of wheat, dvd is an evolution of VHS, VHS wouldn't exist if it wasn't for films... bla bla blaaa

My comment was a reply to an above post which differentiates between Garage being exceptable on a house forum but dubstep not.

[badger]

My comment was a reply to an above post which differentiates between Garage being exceptable on a house forum but dubstep not.

the difference is that dubstep already has a forum here; garage doesn't. if we're being strict it should probably be in the other music section but it's related to house and it's not like it's causing anarchy by being here

[Littlefoot]

My comment was a reply to an above post which differentiates between Garage being exceptable on a house forum but dubstep not.

the difference is that dubstep already has a forum here; garage doesn't. if we're being strict it should probably be in the other music section but it's related to house and it's not like it's causing anarchy by being here

I am very happy people discuss UKG in here, that wasn't the point. I am not trying to be an arse here just because I don't agree with some things on here, all I am doing is suggesting things could be done better and achieve a wider appeal, which means more people buy the records I like and more people come to the raves.

[boxxy]

a spot for likeminded people, musically. where the location wasn't described by the genre. one day

[badger]

all I am doing is suggesting things could be done better and achieve a wider appeal, which means more people buy the records I like and more people come to the raves.

and having a completely different separate forum to talk about house, uk funky, or the re-branded dubstep is going to achieve all that?

[boxxy]

no but having a forum for fwd thinking music would be better than a house forum imho, since that's what this forum has become anyways.

a rose by any other name...

[capo ultra]

edit:

insert pointless arguing over why Juke is house and Dubstep isn't

[badger]

no but having a forum for fwd thinking music would be better than a house forum imho, since that's what this forum has become anyways.

a rose by any other name...

maybe. it would be great if we could just transplant this forum into another "body" but creating a new forum to act like this section wouldn't necessarily mean that that's what would happen

there'll probably come a day when just that needs to happen but i'm not convinced we're there yet

[Littlefoot]

all I am doing is suggesting things could be done better and achieve a wider appeal, which means more people buy the records I like and more people come to the raves.

and having a completely different separate forum to talk about house, uk funky, or the re-branded dubstep is going to achieve all that?

Again, I didn't suggest that. All I am trying to say is the current location is lopsided and therefore might be causing people who havn't had a chance to open their minds to new sounds to look upon the placement this forum as potentially elitist, inflammatory or potentially just factually incorrect.

[groucho_marxx]

All I am trying to say is the current location is lopsided and therefore might be causing people who havn't had a chance to open their minds to new sounds to look upon the placement this forum as potentially elitist, inflammatory or potentially just factually incorrect.

All they need to do is come in and check it out, they'll see lots of good tracks, good suggestions, good articles, good people often giving away good music for free, with zero elitist behaviour & pretty much no bickering.

This debate has focused too much on the so called ''potential'' new posters,with not much thought about those of us on here who have been on here pretty much since the start, who have moulded this subforum to what it is now, from Funky to Techno via House & (post ) Dubstep, its out there, and pretty easy for people to find, just google some of the favourite artists of this forum and you'll find us.

It was changed from ''Funky'' to ''House'' a few months ago, because it was requested by the (relative) few that posted in here, for the reasons that it covers a much wider spectrum of primarily 4 beat electronic dance music, i seriously cant see how calling it ''Room 2'' or ''Relevent room'' or anything of the like will make it any better, but I can see it making it worse.

[finkthast]

maybe we should get blackdown, joe nice, kode 9 and (ahem) simon reynolds to all pull straws every six months to give us a new name.

room 2's a cool name.

it's pretty obvious that house is a bittersweet umberella term but to try and come up with a style/genre specific name better than this is just daft.

btw. dubstep's great. peveralist's RA podcast is sick like a robot eating haggis on ketamine

[qwaycee_]

room2forum.com

is it happening?

[nakedlunch]

Why would you all move to another forum with zero traffic? surely if you want to promote alternative views/music its better to be stuck below the main dubstep forum where people might actually check... even if it is by mistake.

[inferno]

Fucking soul music

How does it work?

[dj_donga]

baffled
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