"dubstep : a remix joke genre"

[pompende]

those guys you mentioned are only fighting half the batle. it's intelligent stuff for sure, but it's just not gonna penetrate deep into the hearts and minds of people that grew up with pop and rock (which to be fair, is most people). i wouldn't want these guys to dumb it down or compromise in any way, i just want them use the mysterious tricks of the trade employed by songwriters to really validate the great work that they do for all to hear. I guess if you never had this thought about a particular sound of music: *why doesn't everyone GET this?* then you won't undersand where i'm coming from.

you ignorant fucking tnuc. people dont understand this music BECAUSE they grew up with pop and rock and they can't be assed to acclimate themselves to different frameworks in music. that's their fault not the producers. kindly fuck off and put on a 2005 rinse mix please.

[prisoner]

dubstep needs more songs with whiney skinny dudes moaning/crying about their feelings and girlfriend issues and how they feel trapped in this modern world in order for it to be real music, duh.

[cosmic_surgeon]

dubstep needs more songs with whiney skinny dudes moaning/crying about their feelings and girlfriend issues and how they feel trapped in this modern world in order for it to be real music, duh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtjCjH2b1JI ?

[prisoner]

less vocoder though. i need to feel his anguish and dispair!

[Blerim]

this Jupiter H8 dude obviously has a rock based background and it seems to me has a narrow minded view of what music is

music comes in an all manner of different forms man, you can't compare rock to dubstep (granted sometimes there are elements that are similar), but if you love rock and you are always listening to dubstep from the perspective of "this is never gonna have the dynamics of rock" then you are missing the point man.

be open minded, and don't slag off our favourite music. If you're into hard rock you might lean towards tracks like 'Menace' by Distance, if you like jazz you might like some stuff like Silkie's 'Beauty' or Quest's 'Eden' etc etc, so find what you like from the scene and enjoy...

[wilson]

this Jupiter H8 dude obviously has a rock based background and it seems to me has a narrow minded view of what music is

music comes in an all manner of different forms man, you can't compare rock to dubstep (granted sometimes there are elements that are similar), but if you love rock and you are always listening to dubstep from the perspective of "this is never gonna have the dynamics of rock" then you are missing the point man.

be open minded, and don't slag off our favourite music. If you're into hard rock you might lean towards tracks like 'Menace' by Distance, if you like jazz you might like some stuff like Silkie's 'Beauty' or Quest's 'Eden' etc etc, so find what you like from the scene and enjoy...

I love you.

[Actaea]

Interesting stuff.... i think that dubstep has come about in an age where music is so easily disposable and easily spread that dubstep has maybe been swarmed with alot of samely tunes. In turn giving dubstep a cliche connotation of the " wo wob wob wob wob" tis sad but ultimately maybe inevitable. I think that people that enjoy the genre know the truth that it is always evolving and getting better and new amazing artists appear everyday..... around this just as many if not more "wo wob wabers" are appearing... but we can happily ignore them not to be a "dubstep changed my life dick" but anyone who says dubstep is boring or commercial or anything like that can't really know it properly...... excuse all the quotations Actaea

[pompende]

Interesting stuff.... i think that dubstep has come about in an age where music is so easily disposable and easily spread that dubstep has maybe been swarmed with alot of samely tunes. In turn giving dubstep a cliche connotation of the " wo wob wob wob wob" tis sad but ultimately maybe inevitable.

its actually really really sad. i think most people who laid the groundwork for this scene were consciously trying to work against that trend in dance music, having seen dnb and garage devolve into swarms of samey nothingness. yet here we are in 2010 and to any casual observer dubstep is just a continuation of popular dnb.

[skotyb]

There are too many die hard dubstep heads that are completely into the music so much, that they will keep the true dubstep alive.

This forum is an example.

I've come to realise that stupid people with little or no original personality are gonna like shitty music, and whatever everybody else likes. If someone likes dubstep, they will probs try and like it and enjoy a few commercial remixes, but they are never gonna sit down and really get into dubstep, because they just aren't into music enough, and are incapable of forming their own opion.

The majority of commercial dubstep attempts gets rejected by the proper dubsteppers anyway, so it's no big deal.

If people think that dubstep is "hip-hop slowed down" or "that la roux remix" then that's fine with me, do we really want people that fuckin' narrominded coming to raves and giving their "opinion" about there new fav rusko remix?, nos.

All I wanna see, is when someone comes out with a genuinely good remix; that is of a commercial tune, it should get the respect it deserves if it is a good remix. Just because it is commercial doesn't make it shit. But most of the time it is.

I wasn't into dubstep until 2 years ago, but boy have I been taken by a genre. Ive found so many tunes etc and I still haven't got through half of it! It's great man.

[ms hathaway]

I gave up trying to defend the good side of this genre so i just ignore the shit sides now.

This..
Ive been into the scene way to long to get into arguments with people who've only brushed on the surface.

word.

for real tho'

[jayladders]

it's not so much *the good stuff*. more the fact that nothing particularly new has been done since those blueprint tunes were made. there are very few dubstep SONGS basically. Magnetic Man is the first musically complete effort so far, but it's very basic stuff. Reminds me of when rave tried to get musically relavent in the early 90's and it just didn't happen. You had stuff like Baby D *Let Me Be Your Fantasy*. Cute record, but really musically naiive stuff compared to what was happening at the time in Seattle and in the indie scene. Dubstep feels very musically naiive right now. Retarded basically. The people making it don't seem to have any song writing ability. If people want it to go anywhere other than instantly disposable records for a club, they need to get into thier song writing.

i dont really understand this at all. are you saying dubstep is "retarded" and "naive" cos it doesnt have lyrics? dictionary definition of "song" "a short metrical composition intended or adapted for singing, esp. one in rhymed stanzas; a lyric; a ballad." are you complaining that dubstep isn't music that's based on ballads or rhyming lyrics? the best dubstep tunes ive heard, are tunes. theres no vocals at all. distance - delight, skream - trapped in a dark bubble, mrk1 - bones.. i'm not saying dubstep isn't "supposed" to have lyrics, but most of the best tunes out there are intrumentals. you said "the people making it don't seem to have any song writing ability".. this is probably beacuse they dont write fucking songs? they create tunes, instrumentals, beats.. the dubstep artists i know and have met don't creat to "get instantly disposable records for a club", they create because they know that true dubheads will appreciate their music for what it is. dubstep isn't "commercial" (or maybe it is but i aint getting into an argument about that), there isnt tv channels dedicated to dubstep beacuse it is an underground genre, many people have never even heard of it. dubstep wasn't created to get into the charts and make money, it was for the art of the music. "magnetic man is the first musically complete effort so far". what the fuck? musically complete? "music" is, in literal term, a series of noises that someone likes. "nothing particuarly new has been done since the blueprint tunes were made", jesus man!? if you can even name one "blueprint tune" i'll be surprised, but serious, dubstep has evolved a lot, a lot more than fucking r'n'b and pop and indie bands that make "music" and "write songs". your post was the most ignorant, ridiculous, and narrow minded piece of writing i've ever written, and i've read 'mein kampf'. fuckin joka.

[jayladders]

^ i wasnt slagging off r'n'b and pop and that, just using it in comparison to evolution in music.

[Jupiter H8]

it's not so much *the good stuff*. more the fact that nothing particularly new has been done since those blueprint tunes were made. there are very few dubstep SONGS basically. Magnetic Man is the first musically complete effort so far, but it's very basic stuff. Reminds me of when rave tried to get musically relavent in the early 90's and it just didn't happen. You had stuff like Baby D *Let Me Be Your Fantasy*. Cute record, but really musically naiive stuff compared to what was happening at the time in Seattle and in the indie scene. Dubstep feels very musically naiive right now. Retarded basically. The people making it don't seem to have any song writing ability. If people want it to go anywhere other than instantly disposable records for a club, they need to get into thier song writing.

i dont really understand this at all. are you saying dubstep is "retarded" and "naive" cos it doesnt have lyrics? dictionary definition of "song" "a short metrical composition intended or adapted for singing, esp. one in rhymed stanzas; a lyric; a ballad." are you complaining that dubstep isn't music that's based on ballads or rhyming lyrics? the best dubstep tunes ive heard, are tunes. theres no vocals at all. distance - delight, skream - trapped in a dark bubble, mrk1 - bones.. i'm not saying dubstep isn't "supposed" to have lyrics, but most of the best tunes out there are intrumentals. you said "the people making it don't seem to have any song writing ability".. this is probably beacuse they dont write fucking songs? they create tunes, instrumentals, beats.. the dubstep artists i know and have met don't creat to "get instantly disposable records for a club", they create because they know that true dubheads will appreciate their music for what it is. dubstep isn't "commercial" (or maybe it is but i aint getting into an argument about that), there isnt tv channels dedicated to dubstep beacuse it is an underground genre, many people have never even heard of it. dubstep wasn't created to get into the charts and make money, it was for the art of the music. "magnetic man is the first musically complete effort so far". what the fuck? musically complete? "music" is, in literal term, a series of noises that someone likes. "nothing particuarly new has been done since the blueprint tunes were made", jesus man!? if you can even name one "blueprint tune" i'll be surprised, but serious, dubstep has evolved a lot, a lot more than fucking r'n'b and pop and indie bands that make "music" and "write songs". your post was the most ignorant, ridiculous, and narrow minded piece of writing i've ever written, and i've read 'mein kampf'. fuckin joka.

ok, amongst all the insults, you've made a distinction between *tunes* and *songs*. this is a worthwhile point of discussion i think. dubstep won't last with just *tunes*. it needs *songs*. hardly anyone is writing any songs. i think this a massive problem.
as for the whole *underground* thing, this is utter bollocks. for something to be underground, it has to be illegal. as far as i know, dubstep didn't start in the illgal party scene. it started in the Leeds Chappletown West Indian Centre and in the Black Sheep pub in Croyden. it's not underground. it never was. people made some music, people liked it. now loads of people like it, and loads of people are making it. that's about all you can say re: underground/commerciality.

[cosmic_surgeon]

For something to be underground it has to be illegal?

[mIrReN]

Yeah; Beethoven and Bach didn't survive without them lyrics


Edit; I actually signed up this minute (been checking this forum for ages) just for you.

[Jupiter H8]

Yeah; Beethoven and Bach didn't survive without them lyrics


Edit; I actually signed up this minute (been checking this forum for ages) just for you.

you really wan't to start comparing LVB and JSB to dubstep? fuksake.

[Jupiter H8]

For something to be underground it has to be illegal?

yes.

[jayladders]

k, i didnt mean underground, i meant that it isnt massive and everywhere and everyone knows it, like a lot of hip hop and pop and shit. i meant its a specialist genre etc..

[mIrReN]

Yeah; Beethoven and Bach didn't survive without them lyrics


Edit; I actually signed up this minute (been checking this forum for ages) just for you.

you really wan't to start comparing LVB and JSB to dubstep? fuksake.

Where am I comparing anything? I'm just stating that Beethoven and Bach have a lot without vocals, I can add up Paganini and many others without them... Steve Vai, Kyus, all great music...
Need reading comprehension lessons?


Edit; did I mention Beethovens 9th vs The Widdler's - Jersey Devil? Nahà I didn't...

[jayladders]

dubstep won't last with just *tunes*. it needs *songs*. hardly anyone is writing any songs. i think this a massive problem.

this is just depressing to read.. it's "lasted" for a long time already and the scene is still growing and new artists are poppin up that are worth a listen. after everything i just said about songs and tunes, you still tell me that dubstep needs lyrics. i dont understand you man. why does it NEED lyrics?