How would you react to racism?

[Genevieve]

this thread reminds me of how i used to get into shit with this one black guy at school. By accident mind
I remember one time having a fuck about fight with a mate and calling him a piece of shit only to have said black dude come up to me and be like
i hastily explained myself, that's probably my only interaction with racism or mistaken racism i think

Oh man, you totally got that coming for being racist against feces. <.<

[the acid never lies]

regardless, a persons race IS impactual, its not a neutral, irrelevant feature of a person, its important and intrinsic. if you dont believe that then ask yourself why people even care about racism so much?

Sure it's irrelevant. Asian work ethic is not genetic - it's cultural. Perhaps you are referring to how, say, many great athletes are black? Okay sure - but that is self evident in these particular people's build etc. Maybe their gene pool makes them more likely to be a good runner say, but haven't you ever seen a fat black kid? I don't see how race is in any way 'relevant' to how we conduct ourselves. If you put a black guy on your football team it's because he's a good player, not because he's black. If you hire an asian onto your workforce it's because he is a good candidate for the job. So where does race come into it?

also i know thats not exactly what you're saying but that kind of comment always implies the 'race doesn't matter' card which is a weird thing in itself

It's exactly what I'm saying. It's not the same as saying having an athletic build or being short sighted or having sickle cell doesn't matter.

and comparing racism to your musical taste is again, a bit ambitious! theres a massive gap between a fundamental part of an individuals existence and what music they listen to

Their relation is unimportant, what I'm saying is that it is a category by which people can infer things about you or an excuse to dish out abuse, it just so happens in the case of religion say, you can hide it/change it in a way that you can't the colour of your skin - I think you missed the point a little bit. (Note: In this example I am comparing racism not race.)

[kay]

they call me gwai lo to my face in china, it means ghost

Technically "gwai" itself means ghost. "lo" is "man". "pohh" is "woman", "jai" is "boy" and "mui" is "girl". So if you were a woman they would've said "gwai pohh". The original term is "hoong mo gwai" in Cantonese (don't know the mandarin version) which is literally "red furred ghost". Evidently the first delegations from Europe to China involved a lot of gingers.

[boxxy]

they call me gwai lo to my face in china, it means ghost

Technically "gwai" itself means ghost. "lo" is "man". "pohh" is "woman", "jai" is "boy" and "mui" is "girl". So if you were a woman they would've said "gwai pohh". The original term is "hoong mo gwai" in Cantonese (don't know the mandarin version) which is literally "red furred ghost". Evidently the first delegations from Europe to China involved a lot of gingers.

still, i don't take offense to it. i work in an all Mexican kitchen, my name is either gringo, güero, or tejaño... it's all good.

[kay]

Yeah it's not necessarily a racist term anyway, more the equivalent of "white guy". The context of the sentence is more important. Just run when it sounds more shouty and threatening than usual

[Rekah]

Car door is your best friend here. Survey the scene, note people paying attention or po po in the vicinity. If all is clear, let twat have taxi, as he is getting in, kick the car door closed as hard as you possibly can, hopefully catching twatter in head/neck/arm/wrist. Good chance of breaking a bone there. Then without warning spin and right hook the chick in her nose. When she hits the sidewalk, stomp on the hand that is holding the purse, grab the purse, book it through an alley, enter a bar or catch a waiting taxi. Drop the purse in the nearest ghetto.

If you are caught, of course, likely will be chopped up for second hand organs for my rich friends...

You will have reinforced a negative stereotype, sure, but you will have at least taught a couple of stnuc to watch their fucking mouths.

ah revenge fantasies.

i like the sound of that apart from i do it the other way round, whilst that slut is calling you, you drop her then your at more of an advantage for when her boy friend tries to get out the taxi. you will have the upper hand.

or if i was stood behind the tnuc that shouted that at you id just sit him there and then haha

[metalboxproducts]

First of all, Pakistani girls are the hottest chicks on the planet...

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[HRKRT]

as a sikh with a turban iv received a variety of racial abuse

which generally has increased since the twin towers because of ignorance surrounding the differences between muslims and sikhs

on the whole when that happens i tell them im a sikh and they are being fuckin stupid... tends to happen when im out so when a lot of people look (i have a loud voice) people tend to back down and apoligise.

but if they are obv bigger than me i just ignore it, people like that are just looking for an excuse to beat someone up. depends totally on the situation. sometimes speaking to someone calmly helps as well, because they are trying to get a reaction. you have to judge each situation seperatly.

ive also met racists in a context outside of which they are used to (friends of friends) and i can tell they dont know what to think or say.

[collige]

[ketamine]

^ Jazz Hands

[kay]

Just got back from a Mark Watson gig. He basically suggested that everyone should go "No" sternly, like to a bad dog, when coming across things like this. Also, walking quickly by while doing it also can help.

[useded]

Absolutely have no time for it. So much so, that I've lost the shop I work in a few customers due to their outlandish and honestly, just rude comments towards the people that aren't of Irish origin that work in the shop along with me. It's usually an older generation that are so openly racist, but you would be so surprised to find out out how many people around you are ignorant to other cultures as a result to having an upbringing that was so limited in tolerance and free thinking. Racism is balls.

[jigglypuff]

they call me gwai lo to my face in china, it means ghost

Technically "gwai" itself means ghost. "lo" is "man". "pohh" is "woman", "jai" is "boy" and "mui" is "girl". So if you were a woman they would've said "gwai pohh". The original term is "hoong mo gwai" in Cantonese (don't know the mandarin version) which is literally "red furred ghost". Evidently the first delegations from Europe to China involved a lot of gingers.

wah impressed man, are you chinese? or lived in china at any point?

[brent]

racism? depends on the situation. but if somebody calls me a homophobe. and i'm not ok with it, then i'll switch into kill mode and i won't stop until i'm done. internet doesn't count.

[sirsnaf]

they call me gwai lo to my face in china, it means ghost

Technically "gwai" itself means ghost. "lo" is "man". "pohh" is "woman", "jai" is "boy" and "mui" is "girl". So if you were a woman they would've said "gwai pohh". The original term is "hoong mo gwai" in Cantonese (don't know the mandarin version) which is literally "red furred ghost". Evidently the first delegations from Europe to China involved a lot of gingers.

'guilao' is used in Mandarin, although i think its adapted from the cantonese gweilo rather than being a native word.

'laowai' is a more common term, but its supposed to be a friendly term, meaning 'old foreigner', the closest youll get to 'old friend', however it used as a blanket term for all foreigners so it does carry some racist sentiment. also, people often shout 'laowei' in the street or in a shop and when you turn around they laugh...

another common term is 'waiguoren', which literally means 'foreign country person'... its not suualy racist, but is used abruptly - like if your in someones way theyll shout 'waiguoren' to get your attention

[kay]

they call me gwai lo to my face in china, it means ghost

Technically "gwai" itself means ghost. "lo" is "man". "pohh" is "woman", "jai" is "boy" and "mui" is "girl". So if you were a woman they would've said "gwai pohh". The original term is "hoong mo gwai" in Cantonese (don't know the mandarin version) which is literally "red furred ghost". Evidently the first delegations from Europe to China involved a lot of gingers.

wah impressed man, are you chinese? or lived in china at any point?

Yeah I'm chinese, speak Cantonese. The mandarin versions of the above will be slightly different, I don't really know those.

'guilao' is used in Mandarin, although i think its adapted from the cantonese gweilo rather than being a native word.

'laowai' is a more common term, but its supposed to be a friendly term, meaning 'old foreigner', the closest youll get to 'old friend', however it used as a blanket term for all foreigners so it does carry some racist sentiment. also, people often shout 'laowei' in the street or in a shop and when you turn around they laugh...

another common term is 'waiguoren', which literally means 'foreign country person'... its not suualy racist, but is used abruptly - like if your in someones way theyll shout 'waiguoren' to get your attention

If the "laowai" is the same as the cantonese version I'm thinking off, then it actually does mean "old friend". But then again, from your context it probably sounds like a different set of words.

Not heard "waigouren" before, probably a mandarin thing. Closest I'd know is "mei gok yan" or probably "mei gwo ren" in mandarin, which would refer to Americans.

[sirsnaf]

they call me gwai lo to my face in china, it means ghost

Technically "gwai" itself means ghost. "lo" is "man". "pohh" is "woman", "jai" is "boy" and "mui" is "girl". So if you were a woman they would've said "gwai pohh". The original term is "hoong mo gwai" in Cantonese (don't know the mandarin version) which is literally "red furred ghost". Evidently the first delegations from Europe to China involved a lot of gingers.

wah impressed man, are you chinese? or lived in china at any point?

Yeah I'm chinese, speak Cantonese. The mandarin versions of the above will be slightly different, I don't really know those.

'guilao' is used in Mandarin, although i think its adapted from the cantonese gweilo rather than being a native word.

'laowai' is a more common term, but its supposed to be a friendly term, meaning 'old foreigner', the closest youll get to 'old friend', however it used as a blanket term for all foreigners so it does carry some racist sentiment. also, people often shout 'laowei' in the street or in a shop and when you turn around they laugh...

another common term is 'waiguoren', which literally means 'foreign country person'... its not suualy racist, but is used abruptly - like if your in someones way theyll shout 'waiguoren' to get your attention

If the "laowai" is the same as the cantonese version I'm thinking off, then it actually does mean "old friend". But then again, from your context it probably sounds like a different set of words.

Not heard "waigouren" before, probably a mandarin thing. Closest I'd know is "mei gok yan" or probably "mei gwo ren" in mandarin, which would refer to Americans.

yeah, 'wai' means foreigner, and 'guo' is country or kingdom (china = 'zhonggou' = middle kingdom), and 'ren' is 'people' (chinese people = 'zhongguoren')

i dont know about cantonese, but mandarin is all tonal, so changing the tone on any word will change its meaning, but i cant rememebr the right tones for any words...

'mei' actually means 'beautiful', however they call america 'meiguo' (lit. 'beautiful country'), so 'meiguoren' is used for americans

if anyones interested, 'yingguo' is used for england, however 'ying' on its own means 'brave', thus england is 'land of the brave'

[kay]

i dont know about cantonese, but mandarin is all tonal, so changing the tone on any word will change its meaning, but i cant rememebr the right tones for any words...

Yeah 4 tones in mandarin, 9 tones in cantonese. The problem with trying to phonetically spell words out conventionally on the internet using the english aphabet is that you can't add the tone which is all important (well you could but you'd have to look up all the symbols 1 by 1).

Non-native cantonese speakers (including speakers of other chinese dialects) have a hard time pronouncing cantonese words properly anyway.

[boxxy]

what's the word that means old rice? Sounds like "low faun" and it's what all the old people in my wife's family call white people....

[noam]

regardless, a persons race IS impactual, its not a neutral, irrelevant feature of a person, its important and intrinsic. if you dont believe that then ask yourself why people even care about racism so much?"

you never responded to this?

Sure it's irrelevant. Asian work ethic is not genetic - it's cultural. Perhaps you are referring to how, say, many great athletes are black? Okay sure - but that is self evident in these particular people's build etc. Maybe their gene pool makes them more likely to be a good runner say, but haven't you ever seen a fat black kid? I don't see how race is in any way 'relevant' to how we conduct ourselves. If you put a black guy on your football team it's because he's a good player, not because he's black. If you hire an asian onto your workforce it's because he is a good candidate for the job. So where does race come into it?

so black people are better at football than asians and asians are good job candidates and black people aren't?? haha joking

so you think race and culture are completely separate ideas then? because from personal experience and others' too, i think the two are intertwined, one comes naturally with the other

You think race isn't affecting lives? Dont confuse the normative point with the descriptive point im making. What should and what is are different things.

claiming race, religion or whatever it is that makes groups of people unique and individual from others, irrelevant, is just blind. Im not confusing culture and race. Race is a part of Culture. Its not an advancement to ignore this fact and homogenise everyone under some title, even if its just 'humanity'. This generally seems to be the case in countries where for some reason or another they have multi-cultural societies without effective integration (again i would support the view that only that latter is important and the former simply causes problems), and thus they need to unite people under a single identity to create ideological and social cohesion, i believe this is called Hegemony. In states where there are only 2 predominant cultures, we often see the more 'primitive' behaviour in the way that one group is victimised. When it is several and the population is big, we see a push for social cohesion as stated above.

"also i know thats not exactly what you're saying but that kind of comment always implies the 'race doesn't matter' card which is a weird thing in itself"

It's exactly what I'm saying. It's not the same as saying having an athletic build or being short sighted or having sickle cell doesn't matter.

here its you thats confusing genetics with race, and again the normative with the descriptive. As if just being from a certain background limits you to a very limited scope of genetic adaptation and mutation. i never said anything about that, i just said that race is impactual in an individuals life, something its very common for people to be scared of admitting now unless its in conjunction some sort of 'racism' or prejudice.

"and comparing racism to your musical taste is again, a bit ambitious! theres a massive gap between a fundamental part of an individuals existence and what music they listen to"

Their relation is unimportant, what I'm saying is that it is a category by which people can infer things about you or an excuse to dish out abuse, it just so happens in the case of religion say, you can hide it/change it in a way that you can't the colour of your skin - I think you missed the point a little bit. (Note: In this example I am comparing racism not race.)

and so if you see someone who you recognise as being say, of Aboriginie descent, its unfair to assume certain things about their background?

you see someone who's black and looks Ghanaian again, its unfair to assume something about their background?

it is silly to put on the blinkers and take this (excuse the pun) white wash attitude to race. accept that races of people have identities, have common backgrounds and histories, have traits that are common to many of those people, it shouldnt alter the way you act with people.

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