Monitors (Sorry)

[silkpantsman]

Hey im about to get my 1st set of monitor...gots 700-800 euro to spend. Im sure most of you will point me in the direction of the krks but was wondering casue ive got a lil extra cash is der anything else i shud nt b sleepin on or are the returns for the extra $$ just not worth it? Also if any1s got any beef with the krk's would like to hear about it. My room size is quiet small (but your mom still loves it). I know alot of it has to do wit personal pref but cause i live in ireland der really isnt anywhere i can go listen to monitors any of the shops around stock a shit variety or a jacked up price in most cases its both!! Sorry to for clogging the forum space wit this shit heres a link http://www.tronaudio.com/ for ableton users...the compression, mastering and frequency slottin tutorials r pretty good and extensive, sub bass sample pack is aiiii too.

Also while your here

any thots on the base 1:30...sine/square...filter lfo to open it a lil at the end and then modulated to open gradually as the bars progress any thots on how to get it all bloated and shit tho?? or any other ideas im missing??

This has been a 2 pronged attack brought to you by silkpantsman....'dont taze me bro'!!

[legend4ry]

For the record, I think KRKs are fucking awful, they sound really plasticy and everyones mix downs sound the same on them.

I REALLY like the Adam A7s at the moment and am looking at getting a pair, maybe. They're in budget at around 750 euro, too.

The Samson Rubicons are always a good mid-entry level monitor too, if you wanna spend half the price.



Oh and you can ask questions without having to "give something back" aslong as you get involved in the forum no one will care.

[nitz]

The Adam A7's are badboy's and they are in your price range too...

Although the Mackie HR's are fucking mint as well, i would personally go for them. They are a bit more thne the Adam's, under £1000 tho, between 900 and 1000 pounds. unfortunately, they only do the mark 2's now, and the mark 1's have been discontinued.

[Shekul]

I got there Adam a7x's. They are my first monitors too and I'm very happy with them.

Don't forget to acoustically treat your room too. The room is almost as important as the monitors.

[Depone]

For that money i would get a pair of makies. Their low end is very tight, and most dance music producers swear by them and genelecs.

[Lethargik]

For the record, I think KRKs are fucking awful, they sound really plasticy and everyones mix downs sound the same on them.

i just got them

when you mean everyone's mix downs sound the same, in what sense? Too much bass? Treble is too low ?

[legend4ry]

For the record, I think KRKs are fucking awful, they sound really plasticy and everyones mix downs sound the same on them.

i just got them

when you mean everyone's mix downs sound the same, in what sense? Too much bass? Treble is too low ?

They just seem to make every tune mixed on them sound really tight and boomy.. Its not really my cuppa!

I can see why people like them though!

[bunge]

Adams or Mackies ftw!

Just got a pair of A7s and they're the dogs bollox. Always hearing good things a bout the mackies too. Had a pair of KRK 6's and they were really fun to make beats with but i found the low end was never tight enough. The A7s are a marked improvement!

Don't forget to acoustically treat your room too. The room is almost as important as the monitors.

This too!

[nitz]

For that money i would get a pair of makies. Their low end is very tight, and most dance music producers swear by them and genelecs.

I would not be buying the genelecs unless am rolling with the Pee's from making music, and am highly known off.

Its said that they are the best of the best, noting beats genelecs hence why only big major recording studio have they, (because they can afford them)

Plus, the cost of treatment in the room...

But in terms of having they at house, i would not really go for it.

[the get down]

spend a good bit of your budget on room treatment!!!!!!!
room treatment
room treatment
room treatment
room treatment

[Sharmaji]

ultimately monitors all come down to taste.

if you've got that kind of $ I, personally, would look at dynaudio's and adams. But that's just because i know that i like them.

krk's are fine, but i find myself really tired after listening to them for more than a couple of hours. very very present high mids-- like an sm57 curve or so. they do have nice transient bass response, though. To my ears they're a less-sophisticated version of high-end genelecs-- punchy transients, but not as smooth a frequency response. then again, they're not $6000 a pair.

not a fan of mackie hr824s for electronic music-- i find the mids way too far forward; however, mixing rock on 'em is perfect, it's like they're built (to my ears) to make good judgements about guitars/snares/vocals. Ironically, i love mixing on ns10's, which are all mid. so who knows.

there's also the focal solo 6's, which you might (MIGHT) be able to find used... also in that ranged, available used, would be the dynaudio Bm15's, which are delicious.

but yeah, dynaudio bm6a's are great, great speakers.

again, if you've got the $ and you're serious about doing this, $2-300 is enough to start getting some decent room control going-- bass traps, ceiling treatment, etc. this will make ANY monitor sound more focused.

[silkpantsman]

cheers for all the advice on the monitors peeps much appreciated, adams it is i think. The problem with the room correction and treatment is im only starting college this year 4 year degree in music tech and preformance...so i wont have a fixed abode for quite some time i was hoping to just diy the treatment...if any1 had links to this sort of thing id b gr8full.

[staticcast]

ultimately monitors all come down to taste.

if you've got that kind of $ I, personally, would look at dynaudio's and adams. But that's just because i know that i like them.

krk's are fine, but i find myself really tired after listening to them for more than a couple of hours. very very present high mids-- like an sm57 curve or so. they do have nice transient bass response, though. To my ears they're a less-sophisticated version of high-end genelecs-- punchy transients, but not as smooth a frequency response. then again, they're not $6000 a pair.

not a fan of mackie hr824s for electronic music-- i find the mids way too far forward; however, mixing rock on 'em is perfect, it's like they're built (to my ears) to make good judgements about guitars/snares/vocals. Ironically, i love mixing on ns10's, which are all mid. so who knows.

there's also the focal solo 6's, which you might (MIGHT) be able to find used... also in that ranged, available used, would be the dynaudio Bm15's, which are delicious.

but yeah, dynaudio bm6a's are great, great speakers.

again, if you've got the $ and you're serious about doing this, $2-300 is enough to start getting some decent room control going-- bass traps, ceiling treatment, etc. this will make ANY monitor sound more focused.

Sharmaji's pretty on the money here I think, although I personally hate NS10s and all the Genelecs I've heard under 2k or so sound like, well, Genelecs, which isn't a sound that I'm a fan of (Dubplates & Mastering in berlin have a fucking ENORMOUS pair of Genelecs which sound pretty great and don't seem to have the characteristic Genelec PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE vibe to them, but I don't even wanna think about how much they cost). I've had the KRK VXT8s for almost a year now and I really like them - or at least I'm now very familiar with them - but it's true that they are a bit fatiguing after a few hours. However, in that price range (a little over yours I guess - 1k euros or so for the pair I think) the only other options that I could try out firsthand either didn't have enough sub for my tastes (A7s for example - which otherwise would have been my first choice) or were too hyped (the Mackies I find a bit too scooped and too flattering).

If you can deal with the smaller woofer (----> less low end extension), or if you can afford a sub as well as the satellites, I'd give the A7s a look. BM6a lovely too, though pricier. BM5a I found a bit boxy.


EDIT: Sharma - you found the HR824s had too *prominent* mids? That's kinda surprising; I felt the opposite way. To me the response sounded like one big smileyface. With a bit too much makeup on. To each his own!

[paravrais]

For the record, I think KRKs are fucking awful, they sound really plasticy and everyones mix downs sound the same on them.

I REALLY like the Adam A7s at the moment and am looking at getting a pair, maybe. They're in budget at around 750 euro, too.

The Samson Rubicons are always a good mid-entry level monitor too, if you wanna spend half the price.



Oh and you can ask questions without having to "give something back" aslong as you get involved in the forum no one will care.

Highlight on the bit about the rubicons but the whole quote sings true with me also!

[kane-testrack]

cheers for all the advice on the monitors peeps much appreciated, adams it is i think. The problem with the room correction and treatment is im only starting college this year 4 year degree in music tech and preformance...so i wont have a fixed abode for quite some time i was hoping to just diy the treatment...if any1 had links to this sort of thing id b gr8full.

here's my links I found on the subject last time I was at it:
http://www.delicious.com/ttr738/acoustics

Tried making a load of bass traps using acoustic insulation from a builders merchants. Pretty cheap to do / portable / did correct problems a bit. Still have a lot to learn about it though, as I still have peaks and dips all over the place on the low end.
... which I regularly listen to and get upset about using the bass staircase test here:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec07/a ... saudio.htm

Also, a great thing for sorting out your room's bass response is a sofa against the back wall. In my living room, with shit speakers, quite a flat response. Massive sofa. In my studio, with decent monitors, fucking all over the place. No space for a sofa.

Think there's some JBLs that do somke kind of auto calibration to sort shit like that out a bit too. Not sure if they're any good or not though.
Anyone here have 'em?

[abZ]

Since no one gave them a shout out, I like the Yamaha hs80m. They are cheaper than all those others yet can hang imo. With that money you might be able to grab the sub with them.

[legend4ry]

Since no one gave them a shout out, I like the Yamaha hs80m. They are cheaper than all those others yet can hang imo. With that money you might be able to grab the sub with them.

the HS80m's are beauts

[JFK]

Since no one gave them a shout out, I like the Yamaha hs80m. They are cheaper than all those others yet can hang imo. With that money you might be able to grab the sub with them.

the HS80m's are beauts

I love these. Best £350 I ever spent.

[Wikum]

i love my adam a7's. definitely worth the cash. imo the top end is slightly too loud (not bright just loud) and you have to use your imagination with the low end a little bit. but that makes it sound like im knocking them. trust me i use a bedroom setup and anything bigger than these would be too loud for my room anyways. they are sick for the price. i've finished 3 tunes using the A7's and I'd say 2 of them translate perfectly onto other systems. the other was a collab that although sounds ok it kinda became too messy and i rushed finishing it.