is 'Filth' ruining the scene?

[robbiej]

If dubstep today was dubstep in 2005 I would have never got into it in the first place. i would argue i hear about as many exciting tracks now as i did in 2005, the only difference is now there is like 10000 people making songs instead of like 100 in 2005. it already seems like two different scenes, the attitudes and sounds have really split. its inevitable, but i think of "filth" really as its own genre now, that developed from dubstep, but really isnt dubstep anymore. As for DSF, we now have this music at a fork in the road, and it seems so many discussions on here are just debates between 2 seperate paths. I for one would be happy if "filth" just completely seperated and became its own thing and dubstep could go back to meaning sub dominated 140 bpm music, w/o all the "snare on the 3rd" and "wobble" cliche's. For a music that has no rules and so much room for experimentation, its sad that so many songs sound basically identical.

[chico_red]

I for one would be happy if "filth" just completely seperated and became its own thing and dubstep could go back to meaning sub dominated 140 bpm music, w/o all the "snare on the 3rd" and "wobble" cliche's. For a music that has no rules and so much room for experimentation, its sad that so many songs sound basically identical.

You just totally contradicted yourself there! You can't say that dubstep is a music that has no rules, and then say that filth should split and become its own genre!

DnB has music at totally different ends of the spectrum, as does house. I suggest you chill out and just let dubstep remain as freestyle +/- 140 bpm. Sure call it different things if it helps to identify tracks or styles, as house does with tech, minimal, hard, funky etc, but it all comes under the same umberella.

[HORSEFORCE]

what if i think things like trippy atmospheric textures, complex extended forms, and more rhythmic interplay are ruining the filth scene? huh? what would you think then?

[brasco]

For me filth seems to be quantity rather than quality. I am not here to patronize producers, not currently one myself, but it seems filth, jump up whatever you want to call it is a lot easier to make, with almost a set skeleton of production (set snare, big drop etc). A lot of new producers seem to churn out these tracks quickly, and sound like no time was spent on them.

End of the day surely there is only so much you can do with this style of music, a lot of it sounds the same imho.

And the YouTube crowd out filthing each other in tracks and comments ain't helping anyone.

Dubstep is intelligently made music, some people need to wake up and turn the LFO off.

[chico_red]

For me filth seems to be quantity rather than quality. I am not here to patronize producers, not currently one myself, but it seems filth, jump up whatever you want to call it is a lot easier to make, with almost a set skeleton of production (set snare, big drop etc). A lot of new producers seem to churn out these tracks quickly, and sound like no time was spent on them.

End of the day surely there is only so much you can do with this style of music, a lot of it sounds the same imho.

And the YouTube crowd out filthing each other in tracks and comments ain't helping anyone.

Dubstep is intelligently made music, some people need to wake up and turn the LFO off.

Therefore it is the job of the DJs to find the good stuff! Of course as a type of music gets big, then everyone and his dog wants to have a go!
But there is plenty of decent, well made filth being produced.
Correct me if I am mistaken, but don't Skream and Coki us the LFO?

[robbiej]

I for one would be happy if "filth" just completely seperated and became its own thing and dubstep could go back to meaning sub dominated 140 bpm music, w/o all the "snare on the 3rd" and "wobble" cliche's. For a music that has no rules and so much room for experimentation, its sad that so many songs sound basically identical.

You just totally contradicted yourself there! You can't say that dubstep is a music that has no rules, and then say that filth should split and become its own genre!

DnB has music at totally different ends of the spectrum, as does house. I suggest you chill out and just let dubstep remain as freestyle +/- 140 bpm. Sure call it different things if it helps to identify tracks or styles, as house does with tech, minimal, hard, funky etc, but it all comes under the same umberella.

well first of all you should never take anything i say too seriously, and maybe i explained poorly or you misundestood, its that "filth" is kinda following rules and as a result isnt really dubstep to me, cuz dubstep (to me) doesnt (or shouldnt) follow cliches and rules... which is why im advocating for seperation, So "filth" can keep being filthy and dubstep can continue to experiment.

what if i think things like trippy atmospheric textures, complex extended forms, and more rhythmic interplay are ruining the filth scene? huh? what would you think then?

I think this helps make my point- two scenes...

i dunno if any of that makes sense, i barley understand myself these days. and for the record, i dont really care either way, i was just bored and felt like having some debate...

[brasco]

For me filth seems to be quantity rather than quality. I am not here to patronize producers, not currently one myself, but it seems filth, jump up whatever you want to call it is a lot easier to make, with almost a set skeleton of production (set snare, big drop etc). A lot of new producers seem to churn out these tracks quickly, and sound like no time was spent on them.

End of the day surely there is only so much you can do with this style of music, a lot of it sounds the same imho.

And the YouTube crowd out filthing each other in tracks and comments ain't helping anyone.

Dubstep is intelligently made music, some people need to wake up and turn the LFO off.

Therefore it is the job of the DJs to find the good stuff! Of course as a type of music gets big, then everyone and his dog wants to have a go!
But there is plenty of decent, well made filth being produced.
Correct me if I am mistaken, but don't Skream and Coki us the LFO?

My last comment wasn't a sweeping statement for all.

But many seem to think obnoxious noises make up for poor production and musical arrangement. That a good film sample makes up for any form of melody, and that high pitched tinnitus sounds count as rhythm.

Some do it well, but many others currently are not.

Me moaning ain't going to change anything. I just had a spare 5 mins and thought I'd stick my oar in

[soberskank]

keep it underground.

[AllNightDayDream]

music is dual in nature. Certain music is meant to make you sit and vibe and other music is meant to move you. "Filth" is naturally going to attract more mass appeal because it is dance music, and attractive ladies can gyrate themselves on my groin to it . The roots of dubstep is obviously closer to ambient. Great vibes, but as reproductive creatures it's simply not going to be horribly popular (Why complain?)

If you think your scene is ruined, that's because the artists you listen to suck and lost originality.

Anything that is new, people are generally not going to like, it takes time to grow on them. Branford Marsalis said that. But the new-ness becomes a novelty and spreads like hot fire, and this is awesome. Think mid 50's, where all of a sudden it was just old people who listened to big bands and all the kids were hoppin around like horny bunny rabbits to guitar-bass-drums bands. Some people called it "Noise", and "non-musical", but in reality it was breaking musical boundaries and creating something entirely new that would shake governments even.

Maybe it's because i'm in america, but whether you listen to filth or dark sub bass drones, you are not mainstream, you are not status quo, you aren't just listening because the the artist is some pretty pop icon. We all appreciate music to some extent or else we would be groveling over lil wayne's cock. People should just appreciate the fact that we've stumbled upon a sound unlike anything anyone's EVER heard before, that we're no longer limited to the timbre and limitations of a single instrument, that the entire spectrum of sound is at our disposal and anyone with a computer is instantly a maestro of the entire universe.

Lets forget our differences and change the world

/ganja

[brasco]

music is dual in nature. Certain music is meant to make you sit and vibe and other music is meant to move you. "Filth" is naturally going to attract more mass appeal because it is dance music, and attractive ladies can gyrate themselves on my groin to it . The roots of dubstep is obviously closer to ambient. Great vibes, but as reproductive creatures it's simply not going to be horribly popular (Why complain?)

If you think your scene is ruined, that's because the artists you listen to suck and lost originality.

Anything that is new, people are generally not going to like, it takes time to grow on them. Branford Marsalis said that. But the new-ness becomes a novelty and spreads like hot fire, and this is awesome. Think mid 50's, where all of a sudden it was just old people who listened to big bands and all the kids were hoppin around like horny bunny rabbits to guitar-bass-drums bands. Some people called it "Noise", and "non-musical", but in reality it was breaking musical boundaries and creating something entirely new that would shake governments even.

Maybe it's because i'm in america, but whether you listen to filth or dark sub bass drones, you are not mainstream, you are not status quo, you aren't just listening because the the artist is some pretty pop icon. We all appreciate music to some extent or else we would be groveling over lil wayne's cock. People should just appreciate the fact that we've stumbled upon a sound unlike anything anyone's EVER heard before, that we're no longer limited to the timbre and limitations of a single instrument, that the entire spectrum of sound is at our disposal and anyone with a computer is instantly a maestro of the entire universe.

Lets forget our differences and change the world

/ganja

Elvis presley = borgore, FTW

Also to be fair there is shit loads of dancefloor friendly dubstep that doesnt rely on 'filthyness'.

Antisocial Crews music has a better effect on women's hips surely?!

[chico_red]

Elvis presley = borgore, FTW

Also to be fair there is shit loads of dancefloor friendly dubstep that doesnt rely on 'filthyness'.

Antisocial Crews music has a better effect on women's hips surely?!

What does FTW mean? And why does Borgore's name always have to pop up randomly? He is not the only 'filth' producer! N-Type plays plenty and he seems to smash a dancefloor every time!
As for Anti Social... better/worse? It's all subjective.

[mrdii]

Wouldn't say it's ruining dubstep, but I don't really like it. That said, I do have some Cookie Monstah songs and Sweetshop on my ipod. For me some filth is ok, and I listen to it in very small doses.
However, I can't stand Borgore and his "Music". I don't think I've ever heard a chorus from him as he just fills it with a wobble, calls it "filth" and his fans love it...
As Brasco earlier said, it's soooo easy for producers to use the filth card. I consiously try to avoid it and go for more ambient stuff, at the same time, if I was desperately stuck on a part of a song, I could just add a wobble in and be done with it - it's that simple. That's not to say filthy wobbles aren't always appropriate as they sometimes are, but for me they generally feel forced and can ruin a potentiall epic track.

As well, more importantly imo it's the image it gives dubstep. The other day I was making an ambient song and my brother walked in and was like "that won't go with dubstep" as he believes dubstep HAS to have filthy wobbles. Ok, he doesn't listen to it at all - but if he's a general person and that's his view on dubstep then it's clearly been tainted by filth.

[kernelcoremode]

there is shit loads of dancefloor friendly dubstep that doesnt rely on 'filthyness'

[colder]

Funtcase is Loefah.

[duderonomy]

I've been listening to DnB for 15 years, one of the reasons I came to the dubstep scene was because I was sick of all the stupid threads and discussions like THIS!!

I listened to jungle. About 12/13 years ago, it became DnB. Filth. The Wobble. Dillinja churning out a new track of repetitive shite every month, to the extent that he even named a track "Twist 'Em Out", which was so shit that I thought it was a parody. He probably did too, but HE MADE BARE P's, BRUV.

(then you have today's 'yoot' talking like Ali G, seemingly unaware that the whole point of Ali G was that it was ridiculous for a white guy dressed like Armand Van Helden to drop ebonics and complain about his blackness holding him back. And now white, middle class 14 yr-old tossers up and down the country talk like this without a hint of irony, or indeed the self-awareness that they sound like fucking bellends. I digress...)

I'm glad DnB got it's own scene, so that I can clearly delineate between jungle, and DnB wobble-core crap.

I think that at some time 'filth', or Wobble-step or woteveryouwannacallit will be it's own genre. Maybe it is already.

I reckon this year's vintage isn't as good as 2009 - a f*cking stellar year for Dubstep, with enoromous variety, but I can't see this year replicating it.

So there's the Dub-Techno-Deep-House thing, and UK Funky. What's good?

[feral witchchild]

As someone who is into the garagey side of things, I fucking hate Borgore, but not because I'm against wobble, per se. I love Coki, and no, not because he has actual cred, his tunes and rhythms actually have soul. He created this shit. He is to this "filth" shit what Burial is to future garage or whatever the fuck you wanna call it. His tunes are dark, not fucking obnoxious. Borgore took his ideas and ran with them. He might actually be the most horrible producer this scene has produced, by far. He is an embarrassment to the community at large, especially because of the misogyny he brings into it with his tunes and the themes that they revolve around. There's nothing wrong with makin' soulful music for fuckin' - but Borgore ain't that.

I'm MOST offended by that whack ass Israeli gangsta rap bullshit he tries to do. I'd like to see him come to an actual hood and try to play that bullshit.

[dublerium]

Seeing as i'm more into the more gardening side of things this doesn't concern me.

[chico_red]

I'm MOST offended by that whack ass Israeli gangsta rap bullshit he tries to do. I'd like to see him come to an actual hood and try to play that bullshit.

haha listen to yourself!!! What hood are you from then? Didn't even know they had internet in DA HOOD!!!

[chico_red]

(then you have today's 'yoot' talking like Ali G, seemingly unaware that the whole point of Ali G was that it was ridiculous for a white guy dressed like Armand Van Helden to drop ebonics and complain about his blackness holding him back. And now white, middle class 14 yr-old tossers up and down the country talk like this without a hint of irony, or indeed the self-awareness that they sound like fucking bellends. I digress...)

Too right.. there are not many things in this world more sickening to me than this new accent!
However, this should not have any links to genres of music/dubstep.

[feral witchchild]

I'm MOST offended by that whack ass Israeli gangsta rap bullshit he tries to do. I'd like to see him come to an actual hood and try to play that bullshit.

haha listen to yourself!!! What hood are you from then? Didn't even know they had internet in DA HOOD!!!

Did I say MY hood? I said AN actual hood because no one would take that Israeli gangsta rap bullshit seriously...or his sound in general, I'd imagine. It's not dark, it's not urban, it's just purely obnoxious bullshit.

Furthermore, I'm from Queens, NY, enough rap has come from here for me to have some idea of what the fuck I'm talking about. Rap is our bread and butter. You're tripping if you think his rapping is good (it's not even good by like current mainstream rap standards...Gucci Mane is better) or if anyone would take his ridiculous pseudo-gangsta posturing seriously, which is all I was getting at.