tacospheros wrote:
it's a fact, wack music kills scenes. And if you think im being pretentious that's great. I feel it's more like having standards.
glad to see that you think the same way i do. big upnumbernin6 wrote:Yea I honestly believe egos and pretentiousness are enough to kill a scene. Can you explain/define "uneducated" and "disposable" and "substance"? If I read you correctly, you're judging a producer's level of education by his productions? bit pretentious, no? And to me, disposable, and substance are words of opinion, honestly all music is disposable and will be disposed of and forgotten at some point. Frankly, I bet Mala is just as annoyed as you and many others with the direction dubstep has taken but the difference between you guys and Mala is that he doesn't sit around and complain about it all day. He doesn't call out the producers he hates. He just pushes the sound he digs and praises the artists he likes. It's that positive atmosphere that attracted me to dubstep years ago.tacospheros wrote:
REALLY ?! you really think pretentiousness killed drum and bass ???? really dude ?? YOU DONT THINK IT WAS "uneducated producers making disposable music without any kind of substance" ??? come the fuck on bro .... i understand if you're an excision fan and are trying to defend him, but you're just way off track with all that nonsense
The only contributions many of the people on these boards make is the constant whining and complaining. All this does is create an unwelcome atmosphere that screams hostility and elitism. This is pretentiousness. This is how dubstep is represented to the rest of the world who reads these forums.
Lol and I'm not defending Excision. I'm defending the thought that a lot producers need to be looked at a little more closely before writing them off as something they're not.
win postnumbernin6 wrote:Yea I honestly believe egos and pretentiousness are enough to kill a scene. Can you explain/define "uneducated" and "disposable" and "substance"? If I read you correctly, you're judging a producer's level of education by his productions? bit pretentious, no? And to me, disposable, and substance are words of opinion, honestly all music is disposable and will be disposed of and forgotten at some point. Frankly, I bet Mala is just as annoyed as you and many others with the direction dubstep has taken but the difference between you guys and Mala is that he doesn't sit around and complain about it all day. He doesn't call out the producers he hates. He just pushes the sound he digs and praises the artists he likes. It's that positive atmosphere that attracted me to dubstep years ago.tacospheros wrote:
REALLY ?! you really think pretentiousness killed drum and bass ???? really dude ?? YOU DONT THINK IT WAS "uneducated producers making disposable music without any kind of substance" ??? come the fuck on bro .... i understand if you're an excision fan and are trying to defend him, but you're just way off track with all that nonsense
The only contributions many of the people on these boards make is the constant whining and complaining. All this does is create an unwelcome atmosphere that screams hostility and elitism. This is pretentiousness. This is how dubstep is represented to the rest of the world who reads these forums.
Lol and I'm not defending Excision. I'm defending the thought that a lot producers need to be looked at a little more closely before writing them off as something they're not.
skimpi wrote:yeah you fuckin handle!!tacospheros wrote:you sir are one of those things on a door which you turn in order to open it
So you are making the argument that producers ought to know thier history, which I wouldn't disagree with but again that's not the point. The point is how you treat someone for not knowing something you know. Scoffing at someones naivety like a bigot doesn't help anyone. Couldn't I apply your mentality towards someone (perhaps you) for not knowing the origins of jungle music? Or for not knowing classic songs from which jungle music samples from. Or for not knowing the first DJ that spun a 33rpm hip hop record at 45rpm to give that "sped up" jungle sound. For not knowing the origins hip hop music and its key players. For not knowing reggae pirate station history and its influence on hip hop. For not knowing reggae music's key players and songs. This can go all the way back to how music started, key musicians, Africa, Pythagoras etc etc etc.tacospheros wrote:
if you guys knew how to read posts in order this whole internet arguing thing would be alot easier. basically Excision didnt know about the tune ANGELS FELL which is a big time classic jungle tune. I thought he looked like an idiot in that tweet which is PUBLIC and i thoiught it was hilarious Loefah kinda let him know "um actually i was talking bout the Dillinja tune."
It's all relative to the listener. My parents listen to Indian Classical music (imo some of the most complex music out there) and they think dubstep is "whack."tacospheros wrote: it's a fact, wack music kills scenes. And if you think im being pretentious that's great. I feel it's more like having standards.
nah that's some winnumbernin6 wrote:So you are making the argument that producers ought to know thier history, which I wouldn't disagree with but again that's not the point. The point is how you treat someone for not knowing something you know. Scoffing at someones naivety like a bigot doesn't help anyone. Couldn't I apply your mentality towards someone (perhaps you) for not knowing the origins of jungle music? Or for not knowing classic songs from which jungle music samples from. Or for not knowing the first DJ that spun a 33rpm hip hop record at 45rpm to give that "sped up" jungle sound. For not knowing the origins hip hop music and its key players. For not knowing reggae pirate station history and its influence on hip hop. For not knowing reggae music's key players and songs. This can go all the way back to how music started, key musicians, Africa, Pythagoras etc etc etc.tacospheros wrote:
if you guys knew how to read posts in order this whole internet arguing thing would be alot easier. basically Excision didnt know about the tune ANGELS FELL which is a big time classic jungle tune. I thought he looked like an idiot in that tweet which is PUBLIC and i thoiught it was hilarious Loefah kinda let him know "um actually i was talking bout the Dillinja tune."
Why scoff? It would be far more helpful for you to tweet at him and say "here's a link to that classic Dillinja tune, check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ"
It's all relative to the listener. My parents listen to Indian Classical music (imo some of the most complex music out there) and they think dubstep is "whack."tacospheros wrote: it's a fact, wack music kills scenes. And if you think im being pretentious that's great. I feel it's more like having standards.
It's a bootleg, will likely give it out once I work on it a bit more.Omega Dub wrote:
and speaking of lolz, is there any chance "combination dub" might be available for purchase sometime soon mr. nin6?
Interesting...craig wrote:
cakeplz wrote:nah THIS is the best excision tune. only thing is he coulda picked a better kick sample. still pretty big
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