Grime could save us from brostep - thoughts?

[pkay]

The number one gripe about 'brostep' is bringing neuro/hip hop/screw/skullstep/etc into the dubstep arena.

is it? first i've heard about it tbh. as i said at the end of my post i try and avoid brostep because i don't personally like it so i'm happy to admit i don't know the intricacies of the scene having never been to those kinds of nights

Roots dubstep seems to think if brostep/tearout/glitch/whateverthefuck didn't exist, that their army of followers would be larger. That simply isn't true. Dubstep was well established before tearout started getting big. You didn't manage to tap into that fanbase at that time.... people obviously heard it and it wasn't their bag. Tearout tapped into a new market that was completely unrelated to the roots dubstep scene.

totally agree with that[/quote]

From my experiences on this forum when the term 'brostep' started getting tossed around it was most closely linked with the wave of drum and bass folks migrating over and with it less deep sub oriented, reeces, and aspects very closely linked to drum and bass. Along with it (due to the speed) a lot of people got pissed off when stateside folks started meshing screw style hip hop with dubstep tunes. That was my retort to your post really.

[herbalicious]

ps; wtf is skullstep?

This.

[1017_duck]

says the guy who uses terms like "future garage" grime is technically future garage

i hear what y'all are saying about the simple drum patterns used over and over again, same thing made me tired of DnB, but what you gonna do? just gotta keep doing you

yer but its not though is it?! It's cold, souless, synthetic, discordant music made for 14-16 year old boys to 'try' and rap over.

ah ok so you're just uninformed..why bother posting then?

[fractal]

says the guy who uses terms like "future garage" grime is technically future garage

i hear what y'all are saying about the simple drum patterns used over and over again, same thing made me tired of DnB, but what you gonna do? just gotta keep doing you

yer but its not though is it?! It's cold, souless, synthetic, discordant music made for 14-16 year old boys to 'try' and rap over.

if that's really what you think then you're welcome to your opinion. I grew up listening to all kinds of music, so have never been the type to write off an entire genre with one bold generalization

[trapeez]

People need to honestly stop comparing the two at all. At this point it's like comparing Deep House to Prog or Tech House. They're two entirely different scenes with absolutely nothing to do with each other outside the 5 letters at the end.

So, what you're trying to say is that 'brostep' and dubstep are completely different, unrelated scenes?

[slothrop]

I don't care either way about brostep - don't listen to it, don't care, it can do what it likes. I think a lot of the 'deeper' stuff could be improved by getting in touch with its grimey side, though - and a lot of the best DJ's playing that sort of stuff are still playing grime and grime influenced stuff.

[trapeez]

says the guy who uses terms like "future garage" grime is technically future garage

i hear what y'all are saying about the simple drum patterns used over and over again, same thing made me tired of DnB, but what you gonna do? just gotta keep doing you

yer but its not though is it?! It's cold, souless, synthetic, discordant music made for 14-16 year old boys to 'try' and rap over.

You sound like my dad mate.

[pkay]

do people really care about how large their music scene is? first we don't want it too big, then we're afraid it's getting too big, then we're worried that other scenes may get bigger

haha exactly

when i said i totally agree i'll remove the bit about the dubstep scene being bigger if not for brostep. i don't think that's anyone's worry, and if anything a lot of people would say that dubstep being smaller is better

you me and the people who may have been around or at least intersted in dubstep in 2005 or so when shit was really starting to pop off can say that.... but most of the people doing the arguing are people who missed that moment in time and are trying to replicate the lightning in a bottle when dubstep was starting to establish itself.

Most people who have seen the evolution and full spectrum of where dubstep was and where it is can look at shit and can just chalk the bullshit up to the popularity of the genre. But there's a large amount of people on this forum who seem to think if they shit on brostep enough Mala will crash into their living room in a delorian and warp them back to 2005 so they can save dubstep.

[pkay]

People need to honestly stop comparing the two at all. At this point it's like comparing Deep House to Prog or Tech House. They're two entirely different scenes with absolutely nothing to do with each other outside the 5 letters at the end.

So, what you're trying to say is that 'brostep' and dubstep are completely different, unrelated scenes?

I'm trying to say the people going to a DMZ show likely are not the same folks going to a Circus show

[slothrop]

People need to honestly stop comparing the two at all. At this point it's like comparing Deep House to Prog or Tech House. They're two entirely different scenes with absolutely nothing to do with each other outside the 5 letters at the end.

So, what you're trying to say is that 'brostep' and dubstep are completely different, unrelated scenes?

As far as I'm concerned there are a bunch of DJs and nights that remind me of why I liked dubstep when I first got into it and a bunch of DJs and nights that seem to be interested in some entirely different stuff. So as far as I'm concerned, yes. Not hating, just saying.

[badger]

From my experiences on this forum when the term 'brostep' started getting tossed around it was most closely linked with the wave of drum and bass folks migrating over and with it less deep sub oriented, reeces, and aspects very closely linked to drum and bass. Along with it (due to the speed) a lot of people got pissed off when stateside folks started meshing screw style hip hop with dubstep tunes. That was my retort to your post really.

never really agreed with the term brostep but seems to have stuck really. to me it seems like most of the hate stems from this latest wave of brostep/tearout/whatever producers that seem to largely exist on youtube and seem to have no discernible talent, and that im sure most of the original fans of tearout like as much as the rest of us

but like i said, it's not something i have much experience with having not been to those kinds of nights, and not being from america either

[LexD]

I don't really listen to Grime anymore, I used to be on it alot but I've got bored of it but the above statement is bull (Edit - The guy who said Grime is for 14/16 y/o kids).

Just listen to D Double E and I don't even have to say anything else if you don't like or get Dee then there's no hope.

Also I'd like to say Footsie is a monster with the beats he dabbles between Grime & Dubstep and I don't think I've heard a shit beat of his, Youtube Newham Generals - Limbs (that's one of my fave Footsie beats) I'm hoping he releases it on his double disc instrumental cd that's coming out at the "end of the year" (if you know about release dates in grime you will understand LOL) I swear that CD will be one of the best things to drop instrumental wise in Grime.

[fractal]

do people really care about how large their music scene is? first we don't want it too big, then we're afraid it's getting too big, then we're worried that other scenes may get bigger

haha exactly

when i said i totally agree i'll remove the bit about the dubstep scene being bigger if not for brostep. i don't think that's anyone's worry, and if anything a lot of people would say that dubstep being smaller is better

you me and the people who may have been around or at least intersted in dubstep in 2005 or so when shit was really starting to pop off can say that.... but most of the people doing the arguing are people who missed that moment in time and are trying to replicate the lightning in a bottle when dubstep was starting to establish itself.

Most people who have seen the evolution and full spectrum of where dubstep was and where it is can look at shit and can just chalk the bullshit up to the popularity of the genre. But there's a large amount of people on this forum who seem to think if they shit on brostep enough Mala will crash into their living room in a delorian and warp them back to 2005 so they can save dubstep.

i think in reality, the amount of people who "hate" on stuff is a minority, or at least in equal proportion to the amount of people moaning about the moaning... so it cancels itself out

[badger]

But there's a large amount of people on this forum who seem to think if they shit on brostep enough Mala will crash into their living room in a delorian and warp them back to 2005 so they can save dubstep.

so true

there's so many really earnest people on this forum with that kind of attitude that cause instant face palm

[pkay]

ps; wtf is skullstep?

Started off as a slight against heavier techstep/breakcore/gabber influenced drum and bass and kind of stuck and was eventually somewhat embraced.

[fractal]

ps; wtf is skullstep?

Started off as a slight against heavier techstep/breakcore/gabber influenced drum and bass and kind of stuck and was eventually somewhat embraced.

could you post an example please?

[mashmash]

says the guy who uses terms like "future garage" grime is technically future garage

i hear what y'all are saying about the simple drum patterns used over and over again, same thing made me tired of DnB, but what you gonna do? just gotta keep doing you

yer but its not though is it?! It's cold, souless, synthetic, discordant music made for 14-16 year old boys to 'try' and rap over.

fuck, you are stupid

[herbalicious]

ps; wtf is skullstep?

Started off as a slight against heavier techstep/breakcore/gabber influenced drum and bass and kind of stuck and was eventually somewhat embraced.

So Skullstep is to DnB what Brostep is to Dubstep?

Interesting.

[decree]

But there's a large amount of people on this forum who seem to think if they shit on brostep enough Mala will crash into their living room in a delorian and warp them back to 2005 so they can save dubstep.

so true

there's so many really earnest people on this forum with that kind of attitude that cause instant face palm

hahahahahahahahahahahhahah!!!!!

[pkay]

ps; wtf is skullstep?

Started off as a slight against heavier techstep/breakcore/gabber influenced drum and bass and kind of stuck and was eventually somewhat embraced.

So Skullstep is to DnB what Brostep is to Dubstep?

Interesting.

somewhat but in my opinion there are literally some genius producers on the breakcore/harder dnb/hardstep/skullstep tip


for fractal.... here's me e-peening about Aphex Twin playing some of our old Mindsaw tunes. We got lumped in with skullstep but to be honest often times were borderline breakcore/gabber



also last dnb mix I ever did kinda fits the genre