Grime could save us from brostep - thoughts?

[fractal]

[1017_duck]

drugs are bad joe

tuna!

[fractal]

drugs are bad joe

hope he's aight, good fella really (i think)

[joeki]

get skepta on this!

[pkay]

Only breakcore can save us mate

all about breakcore/idm influenced bits

[1017_duck]

drugs are bad joe

hope he's aight, good fella really (i think)

i dunno man...ministry of sound

[mashmash]

dubstep doesn't need to be saved, it's doing just fine. there's loads of producers doing things and experimenting with new sounds in dubstep and pushing things forward that aren't tearout brostep. i don't see how grime could change much, since dubstep has become such a broad term,some producers who are labeled as dubstep actually sound fairly similar to old grime anyway

[mashmash]

[fractal]

dubstep doesn't need to be saved, it's doing just fine. there's loads of producers doing things and experimenting with new sounds in dubstep and pushing things forward that aren't tearout brostep. i don't see how grime could change much, since dubstep has become such a broad term,some producers who are labeled as dubstep actually sound fairly similar to old grime anyway

agree with what you say, as for the bold part, i think that goes both ways these days... the lines have really been blurred out of distinction, imho

[mashmash]

yeah you're right, which leads to the fact what we call it doesn't really matter at the end of the day. all these ways of defining music is getting more and more confusing lol

[slothrop]

so can we skip that bit please and get back to the main issue?

wow, u just blew that out of proportion,,, i thought things were pretty civilized imho

you posted this thread on dubstepforum and you didn't expect there to be a debate on the subject of brostep itself? error in judgment i'd say

[fractal]

[waaaae9]

It's been obvious a while that Grime & Dubstep were blurring boundaries more than they have for years... obviously it's happened for ages, the best DJs always played grime instrumentals, and there's been tunes like 'Intensive Snare' to show how close the sounds really are... but this year it's nuts, the number of killer tunes with really aggressive dubstep backing and proper grime MCing on top is growing, and of course more and more grime producers are putting out instrumental 12s and albums which fit into dubstep DJ sets - it really came clear to me how much this is a real thing when I compiled the Ministry 'Dubstep And Beyond' comp... and the thing is, it's proving that aggro dubstep, as I've said for time, isn't just "heavy metal" or "white boy student music" but is still in touch with its London/pirate roots. It's a new injection of energy, and it keeps dubstep's "mongrel music" nature strong....

Or am I wide of the mark here?

I personally dont feel that 'aggro dubstep' is really that in touch with its London roots, musically or with its fan base.

Grime (which is just about still alive) and its latest off shot 'road rap' wouldn't touch 'aggro dubstep' with a barge pole.
As you say some proper grime mc's have got on it, but I think this is more because of their need to move with the music to make p's.

Maybe, now that people like Terror Danjah are being recognised by a wider audience, the grime sound will return, and be seperate to 'aggro dubstep'.
In my opinion grime and 'aggro dubstep' are notably different. As are the people who used to go grime raves and those who go to these new nights.

[fractal]

[pompende]

so can we skip that bit please and get back to the main issue?

aiiiiight dennnnn.

i did a gig about a year a half and ago for a friend at his college. 1 quick dubstep set 1 quick grime set. For the dubstep I had to dig a bit to find stuff that would be hype enough. for the grime just picked some faves.


here's the t/l

dubstep
rusko - biggest chopper
zomby - aquafresh
cyrus - 3 kings
distance - konkrete
zomby - spliff dub (rustie remix)
joker - digidesign
starkey - creature
kulture - babylon
bug - skeng (kode 9 remix)
kode 9 - too far gone

they loved the rusko tune and the kulture tune, the distance and joker tunes got a good response, they liked the other stuff well enough but seemed confused.

grime
newham generals - mind is a gun
dok - suck out
trim - keep creepin
jme - shuut ya mout
dva - money up front
nasty jack - get ready
dok - phone box

they went wild for every one of these tunes. even the trim tune which i assumed they would not like. DVA's tune got the biggest response of the night even though it was billed as electro /dnb night.

so yeah there is some evidence that grime can be just as hype or more hype than tearout dubstep.... and I was convinced starkey's creature would get the biggest response..

http://www.mediafire.com/file/vinw3dyyg ... %20mix.mp3
http://www.mediafire.com/file/tmtz2njzd ... %20mix.mp3


so yeah it really boils down to beg phatty subs, interesting rythms, and some vocals for the punters to hone in on.

[kultron]

I am a huge fan of Grime... and I would say that it's not very intelligent music. That doesn't mean it sucks. I like crunk, which is as stupid as it gets but doesn't mean it sucks.

tell what makes dubstep more intelligent than grime, seriously

Grime is a more raw music, focusing more on energy than on pure muscianship. The instrumentals are meant to be an avenue for the MC which in itself doesn't focus on discoursing on 'intelligent' subjects, rather things that sound interesting which come into ones mind. This doesn't make it stupid, it's just less appealing to logic than dubstep is... know what i'm talkin bout?

they went wild for every one of these tunes. even the trim tune which i assumed they would not like. DVA's tune got the biggest response of the night even though it was billed as electro /dnb night.

so yeah there is some evidence that grime can be just as hype or more hype than tearout dubstep.... and I was convinced starkey's creature would get the biggest response..

I would say your biggest mistake would be the Zomby tunes and then the Kode9 ones. They're great songs but they lack the energy of all the rest of your choices. Zomby is always difficult unfortunately for people who are unfamiliar with him. Creature has a bit too much 'violence' going on to be acceptable to those who haven't heard stuff like that before. I would greatly enjoy your sets though.

[pompende]

oh you're right... no one in dnb knew about dubstep until like 2007 and then it all happened at once.

Where exactly did I say or imply that?

I was deeply involved in drum and bass in 2005 but started becoming interested in dubstep around that time. At that time it's not like all of dnb was on board for dubstep. The majority of the conversations I had with my dnb brethren were about how dubstep was going to die, was just a fad, etc etc. You can't deny that there wasnt a massive migration in 2007. Very steep decline in drum and bass at that time, very large interest in dubstep from people in the dnb scene.

Tho any excuse to use a bar graph is a good excuse

i'm just saying that i think that drum and bass has always had an impact on dubstep. There may have been other factors involved.

and yeahhhh bluuuddd! I think it probably looks more like the first half of a gaussian function but thats not so easy to google up an image for.

This doesn't make it stupid, it's just less appealing to logic than dubstep is... know what i'm talkin bout?

I think so. I think some of what attracts people to dubstep is the chance to listen to some music thats just interesting.

I would say your biggest mistake would be the Zomby tunes and then the Kode9 ones. They're great songs but they lack the energy of all the rest of your choices. Zomby is always difficult unfortunately for people who are unfamiliar with him. Creature has a bit too much 'violence' going on to be acceptable to those who haven't heard stuff like that before.

hahaha, yeah i don't do much djing coz i just want to play songs that i like lol

[herbalicious]

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I probably shouldn't go on forums late at night. We can talk about grime later.

"Joe Muggs in late night drunken rant Shock! Horror!"

[rob sparx]

I like a lot of elements of grime and some of the music but I'm not feeling this idea that its ok to be filthy if it sounds like its from London

EDIT - misread the post don't think my brain was working properly this morning! There are ppl who think this way but it doesn't really have anything to do with this thread. I think Joe's right anyway

[asa]

There is some seriously powerful Stupid in this thread.