VEGETARIANS.

[ch3]

Tofu can be tasty, and not require an expert chef to make tasty. Most tofu you get in the UK is shit though. My only general dislike of purely vegetarian food stems from growing up with vegetarian restaurants overloading the food with oil to compensate for the lack of meat. I probably felt more unhealthy after a vegetarian meal than a 9-course carnivore's delight. Vegetarian restaurants are much better now though.

I don't actually know any in-your-face vegetarians and vegans. Most vegetarians/pescatarians I know became so pretty randomly, they just ended up having less and less meat in their diet.

My restaurant is pretty healthy At least the oil we use is high quality cold pressed one, and we only steam and add it on top, so no frying or re-frying, which tastes shit and is so common in cheap veggie places...
They opened a couple of vegetarian fast foods down the road, too, which use premade shit and fucking dare to advertise as first self sustainable restaurants. They also dare to say that farming cows for meat is not "green" yet they are using bloody milk and cheese. Anyone who tells me that buying their product makes you a better person (or should I say, better than others?) pisses me off. I'm definitely not gonna set my foot in that place.

[Pada]

prove me wrong and state your reasons for being vegetarian

Prove to me that I have to justify my lifestyle choices to you.

[Pada]

anyway, amen to the guy who said it's allways meat eaters getting in the vegies face, very true a lot of the time! i've never tried to tell anyone how to diet or what to eat, but i've had a large amount of shit from meat eating folk telling me i'll lack this n that or whatever.. it's usually some fat prick aswell, look at yourself mate comes to mind

Actually I've met a lot more people who are obnoxious twats about being meat eaters than I have about being vegetarians. I've met dozens of those faux-blokey twats who pull faces and make self-satisfied retard hur-hur-hur comments if you suggest eating something that doesn't have a big slab of dead animal in it, but I think every vegetarian I've ever known has just quietly got on with not eating meat and not pushed their opinions on anyone who didn't ask for them.

cause theyre pussies

[kay]

Tofu can be tasty, and not require an expert chef to make tasty. Most tofu you get in the UK is shit though. My only general dislike of purely vegetarian food stems from growing up with vegetarian restaurants overloading the food with oil to compensate for the lack of meat. I probably felt more unhealthy after a vegetarian meal than a 9-course carnivore's delight. Vegetarian restaurants are much better now though.

I don't actually know any in-your-face vegetarians and vegans. Most vegetarians/pescatarians I know became so pretty randomly, they just ended up having less and less meat in their diet.

My restaurant is pretty healthy At least the oil we use is high quality cold pressed one, and we only steam and add it on top, so no frying or re-frying, which tastes shit and is so common in cheap veggie places...
They opened a couple of vegetarian fast foods down the road, too, which use premade shit and fucking dare to advertise as first self sustainable restaurants. They also dare to say that farming cows for meat is not "green" yet they are using bloody milk and cheese. Anyone who tells me that buying their product makes you a better person (or should I say, better than others?) pisses me off. I'm definitely not gonna set my foot in that place.

Watch out! Enraged vegan alert!

On the plus side, at least they know you're not going to butcher them.

[kaiori breathe]

I eat two of every animal, every day.

[JayC]

For the huge expansion of our healthy lifestyle, we are aware to the foods that we've eat. To that vegan foods may be a good for us. These kinds of foods are rich in vitamins and help our condition into normal.

[test_recordings]

Apparently humans would be better off eating like cavemen since that's how we evolved to eat for millions unlike farming cereal grains for the last 10,000 or so years

[faust.dtc]

Do veggies or meat eaters do the smelliest shits?

[crackf]

black peoples shit smells the worst

[the wiggle baron]

Do veggies or meat eaters do the smelliest shits?

Veggies. For sure. Me ladies a vege and FUCK ME...

[kay]

Good to know she fucks you.

[Alty]

I was half way writing a reply to one of the earlier posts, but gave up because I read more of the same old idiotic things that meat eaters always go on about to childishly irritate vegetarians in threads like these... And I generally found other replies which basically said what I would have said anyway. And the ignorant ones were generally ignored. No, your trolling didn't work on me this time.

[parson]

i been veggie for the past 3.5 years and have recently decided to start including small amounts of meat in my diet. the cravings never subsided and it's kinda insane to deprive yourself of something you want that bad.

[karmacazee]

Deforestation, soil erosion, greenhouse gas emmissions and water pollution are massive problems that the ever growing meat industry will continue to propagate if nothing is changed, but the old veggie fallacy of "if everyone became a veggie we'd save the world and the climate" is probably not true.

"We feed animals grain that we could eat ourselves." Almost true, but not quite.
Cattle sheep and goats convert inedible grass from land not suitable for farming into edible meat - thus ensuring that people that live in areas with crappy soil where crops can't grow won't starve. On top of that it's actually less harmful to the environment to have a cow grazing in a field than to plough it up and plant crops (on semi-arid or hilly land).

An alternative foodstuff to grain for factory/industrial animals is the foodwaste we produce, especially for pigs and chickens who can't really eat grass anyway. Yes, you'd have a scrawnier animal, but it's win-win in terms of the environmental cost, and the net gain in calories.

Because we've got to be realistic - with an ever growing population constantly demanding more food, meat really is one of the most efficient ways of providing sustenance for us.

Yes, they use lots of water, but so do crops. The methane thing, well, I'm sure we can find a use for it, ha.

If we looked long and hard at our farming practices and our daily meat consumption, especially in the west (yeah I'm looking at you Mr. meat with every meal, fat fuck) then yeah, we'd be on the right track, but right now, it's a pretty sorry state of affairs.

I'm a veggie by the way.

[parson]

regarding farming and effects on the earth, this TED talk is an important contribution to the dialogue
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/mich ... _view.html

[Alty]

Deforestation, soil erosion, greenhouse gas emmissions and water pollution are massive problems that the ever growing meat industry will continue to propagate if nothing is changed, but the old veggie fallacy of "if everyone became a veggie we'd save the world and the climate" is probably not true.

"We feed animals grain that we could eat ourselves." Almost true, but not quite.
Cattle sheep and goats convert inedible grass from land not suitable for farming into edible meat - thus ensuring that people that live in areas with crappy soil where crops can't grow won't starve. On top of that it's actually less harmful to the environment to have a cow grazing in a field than to plough it up and plant crops (on semi-arid or hilly land).

No facts or figures backing any of this up. Yes they convert grass into energy which we can then use as fuel, but you don't mention % of land that grass can grow on where no other edible plant can (if that's even possible)

An alternative foodstuff to grain for factory/industrial animals is the foodwaste we produce, especially for pigs and chickens who can't really eat grass anyway. Yes, you'd have a scrawnier animal, but it's win-win in terms of the environmental cost, and the net gain in calories.

I couldn't find much information on whether pigs could live off human excrement, Wikipedia said that they "will eat the feces of herbivores that leave a significant amount of semi-digested matter.", and goes on to say how "domesticated pigs should not be allowed to eat any sort of feces, as this contributes to the risk of parasite infection." Couldn't find much else other than than on very un-reliable Yahoo Answers type websites, one of which said that they will only eat faeces if there is no alternative, and the reason they roll around in it is to cool them down because they lack sweat glands.

As for Chickens I really couldn't find much information supporting your claim.


Because we've got to be realistic - with an ever growing population constantly demanding more food, meat really is one of the most efficient ways of providing sustenance for us.

Simple science states that vast amounts (exponential?) of energy is lost as we go up the food chain, not eating animals cuts out a step in the food chain, therefore eating vegetables is far more efficient.

Yes, they use lots of water, but so do crops. The methane thing, well, I'm sure we can find a use for it, ha.

Firstly, bear in mind that the plants the animals eat needed water to grow and also the animal themselves would need to drink water to grow to culling age. I don't know the facts, but I struggle to see how this could be equal to the amount used up by vegetables.

As for methane, it's an even more potent greenhouse gas that CO2, how we could devise a cost efficient way of catching if all I don't know, when it could be extracted in other wise so much more cheaply. That's even if we can find a mass use for it, which I highly doubt based on its chemical properties.


If we looked long and hard at our farming practices and our daily meat consumption, especially in the west (yeah I'm looking at you Mr. meat with every meal, fat fuck) then yeah, we'd be on the right track, but right now, it's a pretty sorry state of affairs.

I'm a veggie by the way.

[magma]

We are top of the food chain, so eating meat isn't a moral problem for me.

The climate change aspect is far more compelling... and is the reason my housemate has gone veggie, but I'd personally prefer to see reformed farming, especially in this country, concentrating on raising high quality livestock in good conditions.

I think the people would easily accept a little less meat in their diet if prices were to rise due to sorting out farming practises... but shutting ourselves off from meat seems a little extreme. Domesticating and farming animals was one of the major steps in us moving from just being another hominid species scattered about to being the world's dominant animal with a societal structure and genetic immunity to lots of disease (plus the associated technology - vaccination, machinery, date systems/clocks etc etc etc)

Farming good... but could be better.

[Alty]

We are top of the food chain, so eating meat isn't a moral problem for me.

This sounds like an 'appeal to nature' type argument, where you use what is 'natural' as a justification for a moral point of view.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature

[Dutchstep]

i posted something tonite
& where is the post?

[Dutchstep]

vegetarianism because of animal cruelty seems a bit pointless to me, the animals are already dead whether or not i choose to eat them

also... FOOD CHAIN!

bullshit
because so many people became a veggie
McDonalds has vegetarian products, our supermarkets has everything for vegetarians
because less people buy meat, less supermakets buy it, less animals will get killed