Making a track sound full

[Andrös]

yea i gotta work on that. sounds good through my speaker but i guess its off.

This always confuses me. Do you listen to professional music thorugh those speakers too? K. Then you should really train your ears harder, and try match that level.

Also.

If it sounded good through there, why make the thread?

by sound good i mean level wise, not song quality wise, cause my songs suck at the moment haha.

Put it on side by side with your favorite dubstep artist. If, when you switch to your tune, it sounds ridiculously better, you need to train your ears to whatever speakers you use more, all Im saying.

What do you playback through man?

i honestly playback through a behringher instrument amp

[mmjdw]

my behringer distortion pedal makes my guitar feedback instantly the second I turn it on.

[Andrös]

my behringer distortion pedal makes my guitar feedback instantly the second I turn it on.

Sick!......

[Basic A]

yea i gotta work on that. sounds good through my speaker but i guess its off.

This always confuses me. Do you listen to professional music thorugh those speakers too? K. Then you should really train your ears harder, and try match that level.

Also.

If it sounded good through there, why make the thread?

by sound good i mean level wise, not song quality wise, cause my songs suck at the moment haha.

Put it on side by side with your favorite dubstep artist. If, when you switch to your tune, it sounds ridiculously better, you need to train your ears to whatever speakers you use more, all Im saying.

What do you playback through man?

i honestly playback through a behringher instrument amp

yikes!

get a home hifi or something man... I cant imagine...

[ylem]

woah...

20 buck headphones would probs be better

[grooki]

I have a good intro set up, then when i go to do the drop, and it drops, it doesnt sound like it just dropped... its not full. how would i fill that shit up!

Does the main part of the track sound good when you loop it? If it doesn't sound nice there then maybe that's what you need to work on, not making a drop.

[paravrais]

My tracks always sound flat and shitty to me. *shrug* god knows when that'll change.

[Basic A]

I have a good intro set up, then when i go to do the drop, and it drops, it doesnt sound like it just dropped... its not full. how would i fill that shit up!

Does the main part of the track sound good when you loop it? If it doesn't sound nice there then maybe that's what you need to work on, not making a drop.

THIS.

I forget who it was, wanna say noways, but someone on here was talking once about how professional producers put thier heart in soul in every last bar of a track, how if you were to grab just one phrase of some pro tracks, and set them on loop, theyd be ten times more interesting then entire songs by amateurs. Its so unbelievably true, and great to bear in mind. Im not saying crowd things out and be all maximal and shit, god knows Im quite the minimalist, but, Im saying that if it doesnt sound good looped alone, its probably not gonna sound good in a track either!

[Sharmaji]

work more on making each element the RIGHT element for the song, so that when, say the drums are isolated-- it doesn't sound like a drum loop, it sounds like the specific drum part for the SONG. if you replaced the snares/claps etc w/ other sounds, the whole thing would fall apart. Ideally a song is an organism that needs all its parts to work together... listen to commix or danny byrd to get a sense of what i mean (at least, in d&b).

otherwise, use eq & compression to get your elements that need to sound exciting, exciting... if you've got a big drop that needs to hit hard, let the part before it be quieter.

[pete_bubonic]

yea i gotta work on that. sounds good through my speaker but i guess its off.

This always confuses me. Do you listen to professional music thorugh those speakers too? K. Then you should really train your ears harder, and try match that level.

Also.

If it sounded good through there, why make the thread?

by sound good i mean level wise, not song quality wise, cause my songs suck at the moment haha.

Put it on side by side with your favorite dubstep artist. If, when you switch to your tune, it sounds ridiculously better, you need to train your ears to whatever speakers you use more, all Im saying.

What do you playback through man?

i honestly playback through a behringher instrument amp

LOL, when I first met Joker, he was making beats through one of these (or some shitty amp/pa thing). I think he used headphones for actual monitoring though.

Most important part of any studio (excepting yourself) is the monitors. Save up and invest!


The full tracks thing has plagued me throughout all of my productions, Most of my tunes are incredibly simple with few elements so I have to work each element enough for them to sound full and embracing. I tend to make my sounds as 'fat' as possible, throwing lots of things at them. (additive eqs, harmonic excitement, distortion). Getting each sound as rich and warm as I can make it. Then work on stripping back elements in a more technical way (compression, subtractive eq'ing, gating, shaping tails of samples, drums etc) and arrangement wise.

This has helped me get the more organic and warm sound as opposed to the clean clinical sounds of someone like Akira Kiteshi. If you want more dancefloor impact tunes, every producer I know who works the big growly aggressive beats always treats their freq analyser as a box which has to be filled. So if there's any dips on that eq peak lin, you know where to fill it in. Though in my defence, most of these tunes sound gash to me.

Drops, I've always been shit at. Loads of good (if not tired) suggestions for making your drop have impact. Good clean sample/sound selection is essential. perhaps more so than arrangement! And use silence as well, dynamic range will make your drops sound bigger and your emo intro moments softer.

[Sharmaji]

^ oi! Pete! Where u been man?

[BLAHBLAHJAH]

Few tings to consider...

Go with some dynamic modulating tricks. You don't have to keep EQ or any other parameter as a constant. When new tings enter the picture, they may positively or negatively alter the overall flavours n stuff... Follow thine ears, not the assumptive symbols... CLassic example is assuming loud bass is as simple as turning the bass channel to volume 11... Won't work. Instead mix/master based on 'the hook' then use the rest of the song to flavour that... Kinda easy to do in the 'filth style' and the formatting can be picked up in a matter of seconds just from looking at the soundcloud wave form images... Y'know, the over-limited square wav file drops in size after the big part of the song for some contrast, but power isn't lost, nor is volume, even though the visuals suggest otherwise. Use ya noodle to figure out what is generating this 'illusion'

Strip it back to basics... If the track isn't full, can it actually sound full? Maybe dabble with some transferable thought. I like to paint, so here's an example: Look at how people do ultra-realistic paintings - it's about the recreation of the miniscule details that may seem kinda abstract when viewed alone, but when you step back and allow blurring, if each component is clear and working in harmony, your brain will do the rest when it comes to putting together the full picture. If you've got smudges (or for example, solid black lines outlining your images, it ain't ever going to look realistic, simply because they don't exist in observation). Grab some paints, mix them at random and notice the shite colours you end up with. Now try again and paint them in orderly sections as a rainbow... Same components, just different structure, yet yields such a different product. An example of this is struggling for hours trying to generate an 'airy' feel, when if the situation is stripped back and you're observing clearly, you can simply use wav samples of airy or windy conditions as a starting point. Sounds simple, but seems way overlooked. Something as mundane as sampling Rolf Harris' wobble boards to give ya wobble some more treble can pay off in a kind of sordid manner haha

Dunno... Best tip is to start with keeping elements in zones (be it based on frequencies or whatever) and control the levels of bleeding, voice stealing/sharing and crossing over. Pretty straight forward to acheive using some of the popular and ever rinsed sample packs/reason style sounds

Also, gather the basics then ditch this production forum for a bit and genuinely 'get on with it'... Talk is cheap brrrah

[pete_bubonic]

^ oi! Pete! Where u been man?

I'm about! Not on messengers during the day, because I end up chatting shit to people for far too long! trying to be more active on here tho, I promise x

[tylerblue]

My tracks always sound flat and shitty to me. *shrug* god knows when that'll change.

the tune in your sig sounds good mate, perhaps stop being so hard on yourself? lol


O.P. -- My god, there's a ton of good advice in this thread

[Andrös]

it's about the recreation of the miniscule details that may seem kinda abstract when viewed alone, but when you step back and allow blurring, if each component is clear and working in harmony, your brain will do the rest when it comes to putting together the full picture.

That is the greatest thing ever. i am an artist too so that really hit home. thanks man




and thank you everyone else for the wonderful help.

not to get to making dub!

[Basic A]

it's about the recreation of the miniscule details that may seem kinda abstract when viewed alone, but when you step back and allow blurring, if each component is clear and working in harmony, your brain will do the rest when it comes to putting together the full picture.

That is the greatest thing ever. i am an artist too so that really hit home. thanks man




and thank you everyone else for the wonderful help.

not to get to making dub!

But... your not making dub!

[Andrös]

it's about the recreation of the miniscule details that may seem kinda abstract when viewed alone, but when you step back and allow blurring, if each component is clear and working in harmony, your brain will do the rest when it comes to putting together the full picture.

That is the greatest thing ever. i am an artist too so that really hit home. thanks man




and thank you everyone else for the wonderful help.

not to get to making dub!

But... your not making dub!

what? yes i am///

[Basic A]

it's about the recreation of the miniscule details that may seem kinda abstract when viewed alone, but when you step back and allow blurring, if each component is clear and working in harmony, your brain will do the rest when it comes to putting together the full picture.

That is the greatest thing ever. i am an artist too so that really hit home. thanks man




and thank you everyone else for the wonderful help.

not to get to making dub!

But... your not making dub!

what? yes i am///

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You sure your making dub man?

Or are you making dubstep?

Remember, ones alot older then you are

[DZA]

[paravrais]

Kids these days.