an example of what not to do.... Song inside

[decklyn]

Okay so I got totally bent and spent like the last 3 hours working on this piece of music. And I think it sounds pretty good. But I just couldnt figure out what was wrong with it when I was listening ot it. Lots of space, the mix is just great. I'm really feelin' it. It's deep and minimalistic. Slightly dark. It's very good and has a good groove. But something is just not quite right.

Then I go to mix it down and it's 120bpm

I'll have to time compress it when it's done, cause I can't just change the tempo in the working file.

http://www.epicacademy.com/downloads/de ... 20fuck.mp3

I've gotta admit. Dubstep has me more excited about making music than I've been in a long time. I'm really enjoying myself. Thanks to everyone for welcoming me with arms wide open! I'm pickup up another CDJ this friday, so I'll try to start dropping mixes of unsigned material. Big up this movement!

[decklyn]

I tried time compressing and it just doesn't sound right. HAHAH. Fuck lesson learned. Ah well. Still a neat downtempo/dubsteppish work

[gotc]

think most of us experienced this before


nice tune none the less!

[threnody]

Sounds like a good start mate. Surely a bit of timestretching within your application could speed the tempo up a bit??

[decklyn]

Lol. Glad to hear I'm not alone! Funny what happens in your head when you're a little off baseline

I've tried a few things. Pitch bend, time compress etc etc. The percussion just doesn't swing right at 140.

(sorry about the quiet mixdown)

[oyaarss]

the piece is really ok!

+ realy getting sick&tired when people talking: dubstep ought to be like this, dubstep ought to be like that ...

Come ON! this is why i fell in love with it - no rules & restrictions!

on the other hand - i understand your concerns when looking from dj's perspective. thank god i'm not one myself ..

[subhuman]

I've gotta admit. Dubstep has me more excited about making music than I've been in a long time. I'm really enjoying myself. Thanks to everyone for welcoming me with arms wide open! I'm pickup up another CDJ this friday, so I'll try to start dropping mixes of unsigned material. Big up this movement!

nice. peterborough heads were feeling it at naissance, there should be more dubstep-related jams there!

[westernsynthetics]

Who said Dubstep cant be in 120 bpm????

[decklyn]

I've gotta admit. Dubstep has me more excited about making music than I've been in a long time. I'm really enjoying myself. Thanks to everyone for welcoming me with arms wide open! I'm pickup up another CDJ this friday, so I'll try to start dropping mixes of unsigned material. Big up this movement!

nice. peterborough heads were feeling it at naissance, there should be more dubstep-related jams there!

I actually met one of the promoters for that Jam tonight. My crew are throwing a dnb party today-friday (it's 5am here - just got home). I asked them to take me off the bill tho, cause I wanted to spin a dubstep set and I won't have 2xCDJs in time.

Since i've been yammering on about dubstep all the time and making everyone listen to my tracks and subjecting junglists to dubstep mixes etc in my car, everyone is buzzing a bit talking about a dubstep night etc, so maybe!!! At least the seed is planted in peterborough. I wont be here for much longer, but a few people have asked me for some sets to listen to etc so the sound will spread I think. If I go back down for a jam I'll be spinning dubstep likely. Opening or closing a dnb party.

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@ dubstep being @ 120 bpm. Dubstep is a pretty ill defined genre, which is what I love about it. I can take a concept, feeling, idea, or just whatever falls out of my soul and put it into music and it's accepted. BUT, the format at which DJs will re-present that material is generally around 140bpm. Perhaps a new subgenre will emerge one day called Substep or something like that with an extra emphasis on slower speeds and deep minimalism vs the polar opposite movement or increasing speeds and energy and logic/musicality. Sort of like intelligent dnb (~160bpm)vs techstep (174+bpm)

So straight up - to the producers - do it! Go ape. Write in 5/4. Have crazy abstract intros and outros. But I'm a dj and I think like a DJ. 4/4. 140bpm. Start with a break w/o bass, end with a break w/o bass. The rest is wide open.

Especially as this is a hobby/interest and I have no monetary aspiration, I just aspire to express myself in works which people may enjoy, and also to share those works in as many ways as possible, I feel that it's very important to me to keep things airy and without restriction. But as I do want the music to be heard, I'd like to keep it in a format that is usable by DJs/by my DJ self.

Big up experimentation tho!!! That is how I write all my tunes. I come to the table with a vague feeling, and then I just twiddle knobs until I've made a reflection. So yah! The openness of dubstep is undoubtedly its appeal. I also had this experience while I was travelling where the entire party was jammed into the chillout room and everyone was VIBING to downtempo. It just blew me away. I came home wanting to share that experience.... I started spinning dnb but it isn't until I found the dubstep community that I've really felt at home. I've found a format that I can share that experience in!!

Sorry about the long post. Goofballin'

[horse]

At least the seed is planted in peterborough. I wont be here for much longer, but a few people have asked me for some sets to listen to etc so the sound will spread I think. If I go back down for a jam I'll be spinning dubstep likely. Opening or closing a dnb party.

i live in peterborough and at the minute i usually try and drop about half a set of dubstep when i play out.

i hope it catches on round here, i really do. would love a dubstep night in the boro. but i aint got a clue when it comes to putting on a night.

[decklyn]

At least the seed is planted in peterborough. I wont be here for much longer, but a few people have asked me for some sets to listen to etc so the sound will spread I think. If I go back down for a jam I'll be spinning dubstep likely. Opening or closing a dnb party.

i live in peterborough and at the minute i usually try and drop about half a set of dubstep when i play out.

i hope it catches on round here, i really do. would love a dubstep night in the boro. but i aint got a clue when it comes to putting on a night.

ez horse. You should come chill with us! Tonight at the underdog there is an epic jam. i won't be there but all the promoters and DJs are great people. Show up early and bring some records, and they'll prolly throw you on for a half hour set or sumpn. They've all been digesting the sound.

Pm me some contact info

[two oh one]

I'm liking it. It may not be 140, but who cares. You made a good piece of vibey as fuck music. Make it an album piece!

And, I've done this accidental 120 thing before several times. Any attempt of forcing it into 140 ruined it. Maybe we can drum 'n' bass speed wars like in Drum 'n' Bass, but see who get make the slowest.

[shonky]

I noticed this a lot trying to play older garage with newer dubstep - some of those tunes I swear are like 130bpm or lower. Loads of the more 2 steppy end sound ridiculous too fast and halfstep sounds a bit skaggy too slow.

I think the faster the music the less interesting things you can do to carve up the riddims - note how funky loads of old jungle sounds at 155 bpm compared to the newer dnb at 170-180bpm

Mind you at 120 you could probably mix it with older electro or house, even some uptempo old skool hip hop, so it just gives you different genres to splice into the mix.

[mushug]

i like this, wish there was a longer version tho...

[decklyn]

I'm liking it. It may not be 140, but who cares. You made a good piece of vibey as fuck music. Make it an album piece!

Word! I'll finish er up soon time *rubs hands together* can't WAIT until I'm done school. I'll actually have time. Currently balancing a job and school... done in 4 weeks. I'm going to lock myself in the studio for months.

[drum syndicate]

One of the best tunes I downloaded off this site was 120bpm. It was the Lycaon refix of Papau Nu Guinea. Amazingness. Great for clearing the thought process and mellowing out to.

I'll download this tonite and give it a whirl.

[downngoing]

Uhhh....
any dj worth his/her weight in records can mix whatever the hell comes to mind. I fully understand that when "locking" a mix it is important but, there are toolz out there that make it possible to mix anything.
THE TECHNICS 1210 M5G! (look it up)
Switchable pitch parameters between 8%-16% adjustmentspretty fcukin simple solution. Most "good" dj's surely know this right?
I wont even mention the other "shit" devices that are out there on the market but nonetheless you can get a Numark TTX digital deck that can go between 1%-300% pitch adjustment.
I'd venture to say that the walls of "genre-lization" have been crumblin down for some time and dj's should be paying attention to the toolz rather than trying to restrict all of you fine producers.

imho

regarding the pitch shifting...
I hate when that happens