thank god you're here to clear it all up. the one true saviour of dubstep.SideSteppa wrote: As for people saying 'i hope this puts the emphasis on building tracks not sounds etc...' this is a cheap mindset which is inherrantly wrong. If we concentrated on that then dubstep will become as formulaic as clownstep.
you put it a lot better than i could have. i think i came across as more aggressive than i intended to to start with. i wasnt expecting people to react in such a childish way thoughSideSteppa wrote:I think that the main problem some people have isn't with skream for using the preset but that the public then herald this as something unique...new and different. Not skream's fault i suppose. He just used the sound and didn't make any claims about it being revolutionary, fully admitting on giles petersons show it was nothing more than a ripped sound....however this in my opinion is the same as taking a sound off hindzy's grime sampler CD. You are just as limited by taking a preset sound as a sample off a sample CD. Just because reaktor is not as much used as fruity doesn't make it any less of a preset.
As for chef's point about 'if has been around for ages then why haven't we heard it. Well 2 reasons spring to mind. Nuber one, it's Skream so any beat that he produces whether it's a preset based sample based tune or the most complex, intricate piece of work ever it will get picked up by every DJ on rinse and cained! If anyone off the forum had produced a tune around the same preset it would not have been nearly as ewidely heard if it ever made it off the harddrive. Number 2 most producers wouldn't have been happy with taking a preset and forming a tune around it and probably would have done something to it to keep some originality to their work.
However wih the volume of Skream's output it is not suprising corners have to be cut somewhere and skream is all about the dancefloor anyway and as is proved by the majority of responses in this thread people don't care where a sound comes from as long as it makes them skank! I think the public will react to it whilst it is just the producers who spend hours in the studio perfecting their pieces, creating sounds and original works who will feel a bit cheated by it. The tune will undoubtly sound good as that is the function of presets...to show off a VST and make people go 'wow i like what this can do'. If people haven't heard the VST they will be impressed with the sound alone and not have a clue where it comes from and not care either!
The thing that gets my goat is the fact that skream is one of the ambassdors of the scene and a BIG name producer but he isn't really developing his art by doing stuff like this. He isn't getting into the production techniques and people don't know or care. Rather he is hailed as a hero and gets all his tunes battered everywhere and is being seen as revolutionary and experimental when this just isn't the case. As for people saying 'i hope this puts the emphasis on building tracks not sounds etc...' this is a cheap mindset which is inherrantly wrong. If we concentrated on that then dubstep will become as formulaic as clownstep. Tracks are based around arrangements which is basicly structure. By getting loops and arranging them into a structure you are simply getting into the realms of formula...drums 16 bar intro...drop with bass and beats....take out the beats for 16 bars....switch up the start of the second drop....skank out for a bit...outro drums. Simple. Works in DJ sets. The drugged up rave crowd go wild for the wobble bass and everyone happy. Hear this enough times and it becomes formulaic.
I know that most people posting will be happy with the simplistic for now and won't care whether skream uses a preset or not which is why skream himself should try harder to be original. The public will lap it up whatever as it is skream!
you put it a lot better than i could have. i think i came across as more aggressive than i intended to to start with. i wasnt expecting people to react in such a childish way thoughchutnut wrote:SideSteppa wrote:I think that the main problem some people have isn't with skream for using the preset but that the public then herald this as something unique...new and different. Not skream's fault i suppose. He just used the sound and didn't make any claims about it being revolutionary, fully admitting on giles petersons show it was nothing more than a ripped sound....however this in my opinion is the same as taking a sound off hindzy's grime sampler CD. You are just as limited by taking a preset sound as a sample off a sample CD. Just because reaktor is not as much used as fruity doesn't make it any less of a preset.
As for chef's point about 'if has been around for ages then why haven't we heard it. Well 2 reasons spring to mind. Nuber one, it's Skream so any beat that he produces whether it's a preset based sample based tune or the most complex, intricate piece of work ever it will get picked up by every DJ on rinse and cained! If anyone off the forum had produced a tune around the same preset it would not have been nearly as ewidely heard if it ever made it off the harddrive. Number 2 most producers wouldn't have been happy with taking a preset and forming a tune around it and probably would have done something to it to keep some originality to their work.
However wih the volume of Skream's output it is not suprising corners have to be cut somewhere and skream is all about the dancefloor anyway and as is proved by the majority of responses in this thread people don't care where a sound comes from as long as it makes them skank! I think the public will react to it whilst it is just the producers who spend hours in the studio perfecting their pieces, creating sounds and original works who will feel a bit cheated by it. The tune will undoubtly sound good as that is the function of presets...to show off a VST and make people go 'wow i like what this can do'. If people haven't heard the VST they will be impressed with the sound alone and not have a clue where it comes from and not care either!
The thing that gets my goat is the fact that skream is one of the ambassdors of the scene and a BIG name producer but he isn't really developing his art by doing stuff like this. He isn't getting into the production techniques and people don't know or care. Rather he is hailed as a hero and gets all his tunes battered everywhere and is being seen as revolutionary and experimental when this just isn't the case. As for people saying 'i hope this puts the emphasis on building tracks not sounds etc...' this is a cheap mindset which is inherrantly wrong. If we concentrated on that then dubstep will become as formulaic as clownstep. Tracks are based around arrangements which is basicly structure. By getting loops and arranging them into a structure you are simply getting into the realms of formula...drums 16 bar intro...drop with bass and beats....take out the beats for 16 bars....switch up the start of the second drop....skank out for a bit...outro drums. Simple. Works in DJ sets. The drugged up rave crowd go wild for the wobble bass and everyone happy. Hear this enough times and it becomes formulaic.
I know that most people posting will be happy with the simplistic for now and won't care whether skream uses a preset or not which is why skream himself should try harder to be original. The public will lap it up whatever as it is skream!
*DeCiBella~~ wrote:'cutting corners due to output' puuuurrrlese! he doesnt need to cut corners MAKING BEATS IS HIS FULL TIME JOB!!!!!!! DONUT
the point that sums up this whole argument
'gets your goat that he's considered an ambassador of the scene' thats basically nail on head isnt it JEALOUSLY! coz he's 20 years old and has a disog like this http://www.discogs.com/artist/Skream (not to even count the dubs and tunes sat on his computer). How on earth can you say he isnt developing his sound, go right now, go on, get of your little computer swivvly chair, go on... and go put on Skreamizm 1 then go put on Skreamizm 3 ..... fuk sake.
And tunes like 2D and moving Snares of late are sooo diff from anything right now.
The main reason why we get nit pickers and haters is beacuse of one word 'JEALOUSY'.... i swear, skream always seems to get this for some reason
so many fucking muppets
its so fuckin good. swear it only got played like once ever (Skream b2b D1 set).pk- wrote:really? i've never heard thatD1 - Identify (Skream Remix)
should be and update please!elgato wrote:been loving that Black Ghosts thing too, i presume thats gonna be out soon tho
whats going on with Mongrel Music i wonder?
when childish arguments are iniciated then what do you expect.chutnut wrote:
do you honestly believe that? this is what i mean by people reacting in a childish way.
i just dont agree with what hes done, and i dont see why everyone's got so much of a problem with that. just because i expect producers to actually write their own tunes, and feel disappointed when they dont, doesnt mean im jealous, or any of the other pathetic accusations anyone else has thrown at me. of course skream is a better producer than me, im obviously not going to deny that. i dont even produce dubstep anyway though
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