BITING IN DUBSTEP

[pete_bubonic]

this is the most joke, dumb thread in a while. funny at work though.

[obiwan]

This threads like watching a train wreck, you don't wanna look again but you can't turn away! Or maybe it's like a scab, you should leave it alone but you keep picking away at it. Lol @ U saying we've got too much time in our hands, you've replied to every post! Wheres your job at?

To actually try and make a contribution is impossible tho innit. I know most dubstep producers, or at least ones that hit lathe, and I haven't noticed anyone copying each other, if people do they're unknowns that are just practising really. SO IT DOESN'T MATTER. As for someone stealing your name, thats your business, if you wanna chuck a tin of paint at their head go ahead, but it ain't very nice I seen it when my mate chucked one at my cousins head by accident and it pissed blood all the way from South Tottenham to Stokey! I aint a culprit so who are you trying to beef? Check my myspace and tell me who I'm biting? cos I'd like to know. So to be honest I don't care who's biting cos theyre shit and I never heard of em anyway, geddit? Then Sekkle

[j_j]

^grow up.
i dont know why u post here at all.
should i explain my life to you,nah dont think so.

[rachel]

time was when abt 5 ppl went to fwd and the dj could push boundaries all over - no dancefloor to pls, no fri night to keep going etc etc. new producers, of which there are many, may well show up to fwd and just hear the partaaay sets - their productions will be influenced by what they hear as dubstep now - lfo, wobble, drop and so on.

the tendency of fwd to book only a small number of rotating djs - no slt, no S&D, no-one not 'established' - seems to be reinforcing a certain version of dubstep. not to hate - fwd is successful and this is a good thing - but i'd like to see more adventure, in terms of both bookings from ammo and the headline sets from djs who play them. thoughts?

interesting. I speak as someone who hasn't been to FWD in about 2-3 years (apart from The End party last summer). I ONLY went when it was a monthly Thursday ting, and the entire scene was chattin in the bar while 20 peeps were on the dancefloor. This new weekly Friday ramout ting is totally alien to me.

With regards to the bookings made by FWD - at the end of the day I feel it's up to a promoter who gets booked, and even if you're the flagship nite for a burgeoning scene you should feel no pressure to book anyone ither than the acts you like/feel. SLT used to be residents don't forget, and I know S&D have played at least once. Also, Appleblim, Headhunter, Caspa, Distinx, Pinch, have all repped recently if you want new names.

There was a massive thread on the old dubplate.net forum years back about how 'breaky' wasn't repped at FWD, peeps demanding to know when Vex'd or Hot Flush would get their debut set. Peeps were gettin proper wound up about it, but like I say, it's not FWD's responsibility to book DJs that other people think they should. IMO.

yeah, i agree, my point wasn't that fwd>> shld book anyone they don't feel to. they have a business to run and accounts to fix up etc etc, so it's all good. or yup they might just not be feeling anyone other than those they book. it was more abt the general effect of the fwd>> 'rota', as it were, on the way that dubstep (not totally but in places) has stagnated a bit in terms of style.

true bristol have been repping more lately, tho this has taken a while, and whilst slt were residents and S&D have played down there, this was a while back. also geeneus' sets of late have really been abt dubstep by numbers rather than the more varied stuff he used to go on with. I'm not really sure what my point is, actually - prob just that I used to enjoy the unexpectedness/challenging bits of fwd, and now i don't really get that other than when kode9 or poss pinch play.

[obiwan]

^grow up.
i dont know why u post here at all.
should i explain my life to you,nah dont think so.

but then you all prob got a lot of time to piss about on forums hey.most of us have lives you know

[rudeski damager]

IT IS SO OBV THAT U ARE THE ORIG NOOB

[batfink]

Fuck me, two intelligent posts. I didn't think this was allowed in this thread

hang on, what about my posts?

[j_j]

time was when abt 5 ppl went to fwd and the dj could push boundaries all over - no dancefloor to pls, no fri night to keep going etc etc. new producers, of which there are many, may well show up to fwd and just hear the partaaay sets - their productions will be influenced by what they hear as dubstep now - lfo, wobble, drop and so on.

the tendency of fwd to book only a small number of rotating djs - no slt, no S&D, no-one not 'established' - seems to be reinforcing a certain version of dubstep. not to hate - fwd is successful and this is a good thing - but i'd like to see more adventure, in terms of both bookings from ammo and the headline sets from djs who play them. thoughts?

interesting. I speak as someone who hasn't been to FWD in about 2-3 years (apart from The End party last summer). I ONLY went when it was a monthly Thursday ting, and the entire scene was chattin in the bar while 20 peeps were on the dancefloor. This new weekly Friday ramout ting is totally alien to me.

With regards to the bookings made by FWD - at the end of the day I feel it's up to a promoter who gets booked, and even if you're the flagship nite for a burgeoning scene you should feel no pressure to book anyone ither than the acts you like/feel. SLT used to be residents don't forget, and I know S&D have played at least once. Also, Appleblim, Headhunter, Caspa, Distinx, Pinch, have all repped recently if you want new names.

There was a massive thread on the old dubplate.net forum years back about how 'breaky' wasn't repped at FWD, peeps demanding to know when Vex'd or Hot Flush would get their debut set. Peeps were gettin proper wound up about it, but like I say, it's not FWD's responsibility to book DJs that other people think they should. IMO.

yeah, i agree, my point wasn't that fwd>> shld book anyone they don't feel to. they have a business to run and accounts to fix up etc etc, so it's all good. or yup they might just not be feeling anyone other than those they book. it was more abt the general effect of the fwd>> 'rota', as it were, on the way that dubstep (not totally but in places) has stagnated a bit in terms of style.

true bristol have been repping more lately, tho this has taken a while, and whilst slt were residents and S&D have played down there, this was a while back. also geeneus' sets of late have really been abt dubstep by numbers rather than the more varied stuff he used to go on with. I'm not really sure what my point is, actually - prob just that I used to enjoy the unexpectedness/challenging bits of fwd, and now i don't really get that other than when kode9 or poss pinch play.

yes!! kode 9 and others used to play a huge mix of grime to dubstep and back again and it was interesting as hell,now the 'drop' formula has kinda took over again and certain points of the scene that were interesting have now become generic as fuck and seem to support anyone in that mould.
dubstep in 2004 was so orig in its sound and ideas and now were really lookign at it going jazzy or 'intelligent'.or lads just bite whats existin and think thats dubstep.which is more prevalent now.

[tronman]

also geeneus' sets of late have really been abt dubstep by numbers rather than the more varied stuff he used to go on with. I'm not really sure what my point is, actually - prob just that I used to enjoy the unexpectedness/challenging bits of fwd, and now i don't really get that other than when kode9 or poss pinch play.

bang on

i cant believe geeneus (the guy who pioneered the grime intrumental in his PAYG days, along with slimzee) plays so much skream/coki when those beats are clearly being repped by at least 5 other DJs. also since FWD moved to EVERY friday i've been goin alot less. i still enjoy it down there because i know so many people who reach, but long live Corsica and the other 'anti-fwd' (i hope u get me) nights popping up...

[jera]

dubstep in 2004 was so orig in its sound and ideas.

2004 my favourite eyar for dubstep.

[obiwan]

Some of the best shit sometimes sounds similar. Like melody of Doctor Blue Skreamix, and Rusko-Japs eye, two tunes I probably want more than any others including Spliff Dub by Zomby which I was feeling even though he wants to beat me up now!

[pete_bubonic]

time was when abt 5 ppl went to fwd and the dj could push boundaries all over - no dancefloor to pls, no fri night to keep going etc etc. new producers, of which there are many, may well show up to fwd and just hear the partaaay sets - their productions will be influenced by what they hear as dubstep now - lfo, wobble, drop and so on.

the tendency of fwd to book only a small number of rotating djs - no slt, no S&D, no-one not 'established' - seems to be reinforcing a certain version of dubstep. not to hate - fwd is successful and this is a good thing - but i'd like to see more adventure, in terms of both bookings from ammo and the headline sets from djs who play them. thoughts?

interesting. I speak as someone who hasn't been to FWD in about 2-3 years (apart from The End party last summer). I ONLY went when it was a monthly Thursday ting, and the entire scene was chattin in the bar while 20 peeps were on the dancefloor. This new weekly Friday ramout ting is totally alien to me.

With regards to the bookings made by FWD - at the end of the day I feel it's up to a promoter who gets booked, and even if you're the flagship nite for a burgeoning scene you should feel no pressure to book anyone ither than the acts you like/feel. SLT used to be residents don't forget, and I know S&D have played at least once. Also, Appleblim, Headhunter, Caspa, Distinx, Pinch, have all repped recently if you want new names.

There was a massive thread on the old dubplate.net forum years back about how 'breaky' wasn't repped at FWD, peeps demanding to know when Vex'd or Hot Flush would get their debut set. Peeps were gettin proper wound up about it, but like I say, it's not FWD's responsibility to book DJs that other people think they should. IMO.

yeah, i agree, my point wasn't that fwd>> shld book anyone they don't feel to. they have a business to run and accounts to fix up etc etc, so it's all good. or yup they might just not be feeling anyone other than those they book. it was more abt the general effect of the fwd>> 'rota', as it were, on the way that dubstep (not totally but in places) has stagnated a bit in terms of style.

true bristol have been repping more lately, tho this has taken a while, and whilst slt were residents and S&D have played down there, this was a while back. also geeneus' sets of late have really been abt dubstep by numbers rather than the more varied stuff he used to go on with. I'm not really sure what my point is, actually - prob just that I used to enjoy the unexpectedness/challenging bits of fwd, and now i don't really get that other than when kode9 or poss pinch play.

yes!! kode 9 and others used to play a huge mix of grime to dubstep and back again and it was interesting as hell,now the 'drop' formula has kinda took over again and certain points of the scene that were interesting have now become generic as fuck and seem to support anyone in that mould.
dubstep in 2004 was so orig in its sound and ideas and now were really lookign at it going jazzy or 'intelligent'.or lads just bite whats existin and think thats dubstep.which is more prevalent now.

Perhaps focussing on solely what the fwd>> camp are doing isn't the right thing then. There are plety of new and established producers who taking the sound and moving forward. Pinch, TRG, Skream, Ramadanman, Benga and Mala. I don't go to FWD>> anymore because the weekly has taken away the excitement and allure of something special and a lot of the sets are dancefloor rinseouts back to back. but there are sooo many night sprouting up that are really doing things.

[shonky]

Fuck me, two intelligent posts. I didn't think this was allowed in this thread

hang on, what about my posts?

OK, 2 and a bit

Yeah, JJ, Rachel and Thinking do totally agree with you.

To quote Jello Biafra - "if the music's getting boring, it's because of the people that want everyone to sound the same" - it was true in punk and true in most genres. If the audience buys clone records and doesn't show interest in anything else more innovative then that's how it will end up.

Happened in mainstream dnb, bound to happen in dubstep eventually (if not already). Keep supporting the innovators though and things should change though.

[theverdict]

Did anyone buy Zomby dubs?

I think with all the clips I can make a full tune.

[rudeski damager]

also geeneus' sets of late have really been abt dubstep by numbers rather than the more varied stuff he used to go on with. I'm not really sure what my point is, actually - prob just that I used to enjoy the unexpectedness/challenging bits of fwd, and now i don't really get that other than when kode9 or poss pinch play.

bang on

i cant believe geeneus (the guy who pioneered the grime intrumental in his PAYG days, along with slimzee) plays so much skream/coki when those beats are clearly being repped by at least 5 other DJs. also since FWD moved to EVERY friday i've been goin alot less. i still enjoy it down there because i know so many people who reach, but long live Corsica and the other 'anti-fwd' (i hope u get me) nights popping up...

bang orrrn

geeneus what happened?!

only FWD's I go to nowdays are when there is some sort of diversity - Spyro, Maximum, Generals..

I miss the days of 'Thunder' 'Wickedest Ting' & 'Stomp Riddem'.

[j_j]

VERDICT wrote,

Did anyone buy Zomby dubs?

I think with all the clips I can make a full tune.



why post in this thread.? try bait me ? can u fuck with me then??
yeah i sold a lot.
i send the clips so you can check my tunes i got a few hundred shame u got some and waste em for ppl who appreciate the sound.

[rudeski damager]

Stop ramping you pussy.

[theverdict]

why post in this thread.? try bait me ? can u fuck with me then??
yeah i sold a lot.
i send the clips so you can check my tunes i got a few hundred shame u got some and waste em for ppl who appreciate the sound.

I do appreciate the sound but it was kinda false advertisement. Saying that you get these "xtra dubs" and most of em arent even complete or even 320's. So i see it as a rip off. Out of the whole pack I think one tune was a 320.

[bagelator]

what happened to slimzee

[rachel]

time was when abt 5 ppl went to fwd and the dj could push boundaries all over - no dancefloor to pls, no fri night to keep going etc etc. new producers, of which there are many, may well show up to fwd and just hear the partaaay sets - their productions will be influenced by what they hear as dubstep now - lfo, wobble, drop and so on.

the tendency of fwd to book only a small number of rotating djs - no slt, no S&D, no-one not 'established' - seems to be reinforcing a certain version of dubstep. not to hate - fwd is successful and this is a good thing - but i'd like to see more adventure, in terms of both bookings from ammo and the headline sets from djs who play them. thoughts?

interesting. I speak as someone who hasn't been to FWD in about 2-3 years (apart from The End party last summer). I ONLY went when it was a monthly Thursday ting, and the entire scene was chattin in the bar while 20 peeps were on the dancefloor. This new weekly Friday ramout ting is totally alien to me.

With regards to the bookings made by FWD - at the end of the day I feel it's up to a promoter who gets booked, and even if you're the flagship nite for a burgeoning scene you should feel no pressure to book anyone ither than the acts you like/feel. SLT used to be residents don't forget, and I know S&D have played at least once. Also, Appleblim, Headhunter, Caspa, Distinx, Pinch, have all repped recently if you want new names.

There was a massive thread on the old dubplate.net forum years back about how 'breaky' wasn't repped at FWD, peeps demanding to know when Vex'd or Hot Flush would get their debut set. Peeps were gettin proper wound up about it, but like I say, it's not FWD's responsibility to book DJs that other people think they should. IMO.

yeah, i agree, my point wasn't that fwd>> shld book anyone they don't feel to. they have a business to run and accounts to fix up etc etc, so it's all good. or yup they might just not be feeling anyone other than those they book. it was more abt the general effect of the fwd>> 'rota', as it were, on the way that dubstep (not totally but in places) has stagnated a bit in terms of style.

true bristol have been repping more lately, tho this has taken a while, and whilst slt were residents and S&D have played down there, this was a while back. also geeneus' sets of late have really been abt dubstep by numbers rather than the more varied stuff he used to go on with. I'm not really sure what my point is, actually - prob just that I used to enjoy the unexpectedness/challenging bits of fwd, and now i don't really get that other than when kode9 or poss pinch play.

yes!! kode 9 and others used to play a huge mix of grime to dubstep and back again and it was interesting as hell,now the 'drop' formula has kinda took over again and certain points of the scene that were interesting have now become generic as fuck and seem to support anyone in that mould.
dubstep in 2004 was so orig in its sound and ideas and now were really lookign at it going jazzy or 'intelligent'.or lads just bite whats existin and think thats dubstep.which is more prevalent now.

Perhaps focussing on solely what the fwd>> camp are doing isn't the right thing then. There are plety of new and established producers who taking the sound and moving forward. Pinch, TRG, Skream, Ramadanman, Benga and Mala. I don't go to FWD>> anymore because the weekly has taken away the excitement and allure of something special and a lot of the sets are dancefloor rinseouts back to back. but there are sooo many night sprouting up that are really doing things.

def it's all moving fwd elsewhere, i think prob with or without fwd>>. or fwd>> will just be one version of it, from a particular point in time. tbh, (and bear in mind i'm in london so all my ref points are there) red star was my saving grace for a few months there, and i hope corsica is the same (judging by the first one it's all good). i'm not so jaded just yet, just feel the fwd>> loss a bit, particularly w the likes of geeneus...