Muslims burning poppys on remembrance day

[jazzamataz]

I agree you should adopt some of the culture of where you now live and integrate yourself into the society. But if you were suddenly came over from Pakistan and lived in a community with lots of other Pakistani families, shops, traditions ect. would you try and back yourself more "British" or would you just stay with what you know??

Me personally, I would do my best to intergrate.
Why the fuck would I travel all that way, uproot myself and my family and everything,
then purposefully shoot myself in the foot and deny myself all the opportunities open
to me by not integrating with society? It makes no sense. But then, I have drive and ambition.

My grandparents, for example, couldn't speak English properly and didn't integrate much at all.
They weren't in control of a lot of their lives, lived vicariously through their sons and daughters
(My uncles, aunt, and my mum) and were set in their ways. It made their lives ridiculously hard,
and they had to rely on everyone else for outside contact with the world.
It's quite sad when you think about it, really.

[slothrop]

It must be fucking rich for people who remember "no blacks, no dogs, no Irish" signs at boarding houses to be told that it's their fault for not 'integrating' enough.

Or to be told to integrate more by the same people who love to perpeptuate negative stereotypes.

[slothrop]

imagine if someone comes into your house and sparks up a cigarette (if its a non smoking house obviously)
youd be vexed would you not? its not fair just becuase you do it at home, to bring it to someone elses place.
does that make sense?

I'd be vexed because it'd make the place smell. I wouldn't tell them to fuck off because they came to my house and weren't dressed exactly like me, though.

[ManSLAG]

To be honest I think the minority of muslims that carried this out are just stupid, they forgot to take into account, the fact that there are many muslim troops serving in the British Army, the Royal Navy, RAF and what not, so if anything they are insulting themselves, and a disgrace to their own religion, if they don't like the Britain and how it deals with the military, they should have thought about that before deciding to live here.

[Pistonsbeneath]

It must be fucking rich for people who remember "no blacks, no dogs, no Irish" signs at boarding houses to be told that it's their fault for not 'integrating' enough.

Or to be told to integrate more by the same people who love to perpeptuate negative stereotypes.

THIS

[noam]

people are too easily conflating the issues that the protestors were Muslims and they're protesting on religious reasons.

they were protesting dead Afghans/Iraqi's. they weren't protesting about Islam vs. Christianity. it could be a bunch of white kids who went out n did the same thing. there wouldn't be talk of religious/race war then.

with regards integration - have people forgotten just how many, and im talking millions and millions, of Muslims there are who dress western, talk english with barely the trace of an accent, shop in our shops etc. etc.

again, the minority become an easy target and the perfect attention grabbing headline the papers want.

[noam]

Also extremist people in our Western culture are marginalised, this is not the case in the muslim society. Not being racist or xenophobic, just good observation of their society & history.

thats wrong for many reasons and you clearly are confused on the subject.

[fretn]

Also extremist people in our Western culture are marginalised, this is not the case in the muslim society. Not being racist or xenophobic, just good observation of their society & history.

thats wrong for many reasons and you clearly are confused on the subject.

excuse me... skinheads are far less respected by us, a big part of the muslims support bombing (not that much, but more than westerners liking skinheads)

[the acid never lies]

Fretn may be suffering from Geert Wilders syndrome. Saying "multiculturalism has failed" is code for "the differences differences between Muslims and Westerners are irreconcilable". Islam as defined by the Daily Mail.

"a big part of the muslims support bombing"

Yeah okay buddy...

[the acid never lies]

It would be a lot easier to openly disagree with aspects of religions if we didn't have idiots lumping a diverse, heterogeneous grouping of peoples into a monolithic monster that is out to enslave us and shove halal meat down our throats.

[symmetricalsounds]

my parents have a place in spain, and they try their hardest to be like the locals as a mark of respect for the local/spanish culture.

they are in a massive minority, most english people that live out there never learn spanish and don't integrate at all.

[noam]

Also extremist people in our Western culture are marginalised, this is not the case in the muslim society. Not being racist or xenophobic, just good observation of their society & history.

thats wrong for many reasons and you clearly are confused on the subject.

excuse me... skinheads are far less respected by us, a big part of the muslims support bombing (not that much, but more than westerners liking skinheads)

where do you even get that from??

[fretn]

Ok, I might have brought this a litle too far. I am not an Islam hater and I surely don't want to be seen as a Geert Wilders fan (although the changes in Holland are a good way to promote integration).
I am just the guy that hates seeing immigrants living off money (from wealthfare)they get from me & my parents without ever returning something to society. And in my city most of them are muslims, having 6/7 children who never got a decent eduction (although they had the chance), mother & sisters being locked up in the house & the father who works black wages. Kids of 10 years old who roam the streets till midnight or later. And in my town it's mostly muslim families. It's just an observation I make (not saying that native Belgians are always good behaving parents). Most of them are good people, but there are a lot of people who openly declare coming to belgium to plunder our social wealthfare.

[noam]

no you're not an islam hater, you just have misguided views

i hear the same argument so often, everyone who uses it generally starts out the same way - by saying some wildly generalising statement about the state of the country since immigrants came and didnt integrate and sponge off the state and blah blah blah blah blah

you personally have no ownership over your country, your land, your house and after reading your comments you barely have ownership of your thoughts.

oh and LOL at banning the burkha, fuckin idiots.

edit: oh, and even more LOL at 'they come over here, wearing these gowns, and you know what?! i bet they're not even that warm in the winter!!!'



idiot.

[fretn]

Sorry for not being leftminded, I don't want to become a second bass hertz. But what's wrong with being rightorientated?
We don't all believe in this multiculturalism crap, politicians all over Europe are saying the same thing...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oc ... ism-failed

I know that she isn't 100% honest about her opinions (elections), but why is right on the rise in Europe, look at the UK? Look at Holland? Look at Belgium?
It's clear that i'm not the only one sharing these opinions

(P.S. about the clothing that was rather a joke about it being cold)

[symmetricalsounds]

because it's much easier to convince people that what's wrong with their country is the immigrants rather than a full and brutal account of why the social systems we have have marginalised so many people. getting people to fear what they don't know is easy, making them question everything they've ever known isn't.

[64hz]

you personally have no ownership over your country, your land, your house.

o rly

[fretn]

because it's much easier to convince people that what's wrong with their country is the immigrants rather than a full and brutal account of why the social systems we have have marginalised so many people. getting people to fear what they don't know is easy, making them question everything they've ever known isn't.

more leftist crap... you have no idea how much effort our countries put into this, but sometimes it's just a matter of no acceptation.

[symmetricalsounds]

but sometimes it's just a matter of no acceptation.

yup i know

[the acid never lies]

Well I'm not qualified to comment on what goes on in Belgium, but over here the BNP insists that there are too many immigrants contributing nothing to society and soaking up public money. This is circulated as fact, but it is a lie. Far from being a burden on the welfare state, there are large areas of the health service, and transport that would collapse without workers from abroad. A quarter of British nurses were born abroad – half in London. In Manchester, there are more nurses from Malawi than there are nurses in Malawi!

I understand that you don't have an axe to grind, but what makes you think that being Muslim is in any way related to bad parenting or poor work ethic? That is what you appear to be suggesting.

You ask why the right is on the rise today, as if that fact alone legitimises their positions on banning minarets or deporting the Roma. We are in the middle (or the start) of an economic crisis - perfect conditions for the politics of division that allowed the fascists come to power in the 30s.