Is it true that...

[mickey raus]

no theres probably no need to know the law because most of those who get cancer take the mature decision to get it treated properly and survive so dont need to resort to 'vitamin' b17 alternative therapy

yeah yeah, just curious, for us, immature people who prefer to survive the "treatment" - no hopes in the US?
if vitamin B17 is a hoax, maybe something else comes up tomorrow and people might die waiting for FDA to approve the death of a money-making machine that's also very suitable for population control

[noam]

big claims mate, big claims.

edit: im actually very interested to know who actually is advocating/enforcing this malevolant population control plot?

[gargantuan]

whatever man, anyone can check the statistics about how many people survive the chemo and radio, anyone can learn how they work and so forth, the only unproved claims are those about you knowing what maturity is...

i don't care who believes in what the documentary says, i'm not sure if i can believe it myself 100%, but i surely learned something from it and i need more info to complete my learning.
if you can't provide, you and your maturity can suck my socks!
alien pimp

[noam]

alien pimp?

[wayoftheworld]

anyone heard of the budwig protocol?

i have no idea whether it works, or whether the thousands of testimonials on the 'net are real or not. at the very least the science behind it is kind've interesting.

[gargantuan]

anyone heard of the budwig protocol?

i have no idea whether it works, or whether the thousands of testimonials on the 'net are real or not. at the very least the science behind it is kind've interesting.

interesting input (finally)...
reading about it now, cheers!
there was one more therapy of this kind and pretty believable, forgot names/links...

i'm pretty certain there's a natural treatment for everything
"one pill for every ill" - grotesque stupidity to fall for that approach
alien pimp

[AllNightDayDream]

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/198/4323/1231

A team of researchers at the New York City institute has spent some 5 years testing the alleged anticancer properties of the apricot pit extract under the close attention of the press and suspicious eye of laetrile cultists. A string of predominantly negative results was announced at a press conference held this June

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/ ... ofessional

This summary contains the following key information:

* Laetrile is another name for the chemical amygdalin, which is found in the pits of many fruits and in numerous plants.
* Cyanide is thought to be the main anticancer component of laetrile.
* Laetrile was first used as a cancer treatment in Russia in 1845, and in the United States in the 1920s.
* Laetrile has shown little anticancer activity in animal studies and no anticancer activity in human clinical trials.
* Laetrile is not approved for use in the United States.
* Inappropriate advertisement of laetrile as a cancer treatment has resulted in a U.S. Food and Drug Administration investigation that culminated in charges and conviction of one distributor.

if vitamin B17 is a hoax, maybe something else comes up tomorrow and people might die waiting for FDA to approve the death of a money-making machine that's also very suitable for population control

Just wanna address this real quick...
I don't want to associate myself with all the fearful conspiracy heads here, but... there's no doubt in my mind that some very powerful and rich people create fortunes for generations off the ignorance of other people.The most obvious example is the recent economic crisis in america, with the invention of credit default swaps put to use on sub-prime mortgages that large banks so gladly gave out (but that's for another thread). But the idea these powerful forces want to KILL OFF the population makes no fucking sense. They make money off the masses. They want you to multiply so there's whole new bodies that you have to pay inflated prices on goods for, not to mention all the loans you're going to have to get to buy their car, education, house, etc. If they stagnated the birth rate that's less money they can make . I can't stand these conspirator catch-phrases that explain everything like "population control". Quit feeding the hype machine.

[gargantuan]

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/198/4323/1231

A team of researchers at the New York City institute has spent some 5 years testing the alleged anticancer properties of the apricot pit extract under the close attention of the press and suspicious eye of laetrile cultists. A string of predominantly negative results was announced at a press conference held this June

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/ ... ofessional

This summary contains the following key information:

* Laetrile is another name for the chemical amygdalin, which is found in the pits of many fruits and in numerous plants.
* Cyanide is thought to be the main anticancer component of laetrile.
* Laetrile was first used as a cancer treatment in Russia in 1845, and in the United States in the 1920s.
* Laetrile has shown little anticancer activity in animal studies and no anticancer activity in human clinical trials.
* Laetrile is not approved for use in the United States.
* Inappropriate advertisement of laetrile as a cancer treatment has resulted in a U.S. Food and Drug Administration investigation that culminated in charges and conviction of one distributor.

if vitamin B17 is a hoax, maybe something else comes up tomorrow and people might die waiting for FDA to approve the death of a money-making machine that's also very suitable for population control

Just wanna address this real quick...
I don't want to associate myself with all the fearful conspiracy heads here, but... there's no doubt in my mind that some very powerful and rich people create fortunes for generations off the ignorance of other people.The most obvious example is the recent economic crisis in america, with the invention of credit default swaps put to use on sub-prime mortgages that large banks so gladly gave out (but that's for another thread). But the idea these powerful forces want to KILL OFF the population makes no fucking sense. They make money off the masses. They want you to multiply so there's whole new bodies that you have to pay inflated prices on goods for, not to mention all the loans you're going to have to get to buy their car, education, house, etc. If they stagnated the birth rate that's less money they can make . I can't stand these conspirator catch-phrases that explain everything like "population control". Quit feeding the hype machine.

kids among kids like to show off "maturity" and they chose to condescend on shit they never bothered to find out about, which is childish. don't be one of them.
watch the vid and how it responds to all the links you put out, which are actually leading to the same very few shady sources.
nothing is easier than faking a study. this is how the stores and pharmacies got filled with poisons

with the current developments in science and with good nutrition people can easily live up to 100 years or more
that would mean many years cashing the retirement money, which otherwise would stay in the budget, and can be spent on profitable biz, like guns and pharma. what would you do if you had all the power you need and you were some "very powerful and rich people that create fortunes for generations off the ignorance of other people"?
think for yourself freely, avoid limitations like conversational cliches like "tinfoil hat" or "conspiracy headz"
"the hype machine" i am feeding only helped people, the propaganda machine you are feeding only killed and hurt people and got us in the shithole we're in today.

alien pimp

[noam]

anyone heard of the budwig protocol?

i have no idea whether it works, or whether the thousands of testimonials on the 'net are real or not. at the very least the science behind it is kind've interesting.

interesting input (finally)...
reading about it now, cheers!
there was one more therapy of this kind and pretty believable, forgot names/links...

i'm pretty certain there's a natural treatment for everything
"one pill for every ill" - grotesque stupidity to fall for that approach
alien pimp

almost the same amount of stupidity as assuming that saying cancer requires treatment by professional doctors with known and proven techniques is tantamount to 'one pill for every ill'

im still curious about who is controlling the population control scheme, and where the evidence for that is. probably cant blame this on the chinese since they have their own special way of population control... but im struggling... enlighten me

btw, i watchd the documentary last night, it was FULL of shit. some of their supposed 'credible' sources were the fucking doctors who 'invented' laetrile and were trying to market it...?!

before you start about 'opening my mind' and thinking for myself, i actually do believe there are alternative ways of treating cancer, i believe there is certainly a business aspect to the disease, like most diseases, what i DONT believe is that every fucking doctor who advocates conventional treatment as opposed to searching for things like laetrile are a PART of it, i believe that the way they have found of destroying cancer cells for the time being is what they feel to be most effective, and it has been shown in NUMEROUS clinical trials.

the very fact they've labelled laetrile as 'vitamin b17' when in fact it is NOT a vitamin at all, surely should set some alarm bells ringing?? its clearly been done in an attempt to avoid conventional pharmaceutical testing which from what i've read it simply would not pass. for someone so into conspiracies your very picky and choosy with what side you take.

[AllNightDayDream]

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/198/4323/1231

A team of researchers at the New York City institute has spent some 5 years testing the alleged anticancer properties of the apricot pit extract under the close attention of the press and suspicious eye of laetrile cultists. A string of predominantly negative results was announced at a press conference held this June

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/ ... ofessional

This summary contains the following key information:

* Laetrile is another name for the chemical amygdalin, which is found in the pits of many fruits and in numerous plants.
* Cyanide is thought to be the main anticancer component of laetrile.
* Laetrile was first used as a cancer treatment in Russia in 1845, and in the United States in the 1920s.
* Laetrile has shown little anticancer activity in animal studies and no anticancer activity in human clinical trials.
* Laetrile is not approved for use in the United States.
* Inappropriate advertisement of laetrile as a cancer treatment has resulted in a U.S. Food and Drug Administration investigation that culminated in charges and conviction of one distributor.

if vitamin B17 is a hoax, maybe something else comes up tomorrow and people might die waiting for FDA to approve the death of a money-making machine that's also very suitable for population control

Just wanna address this real quick...
I don't want to associate myself with all the fearful conspiracy heads here, but... there's no doubt in my mind that some very powerful and rich people create fortunes for generations off the ignorance of other people.The most obvious example is the recent economic crisis in america, with the invention of credit default swaps put to use on sub-prime mortgages that large banks so gladly gave out (but that's for another thread). But the idea these powerful forces want to KILL OFF the population makes no fucking sense. They make money off the masses. They want you to multiply so there's whole new bodies that you have to pay inflated prices on goods for, not to mention all the loans you're going to have to get to buy their car, education, house, etc. If they stagnated the birth rate that's less money they can make . I can't stand these conspirator catch-phrases that explain everything like "population control". Quit feeding the hype machine.

kids among kids like to show off "maturity" and they chose to condescend on shit they never bothered to find out about, which is childish. don't be one of them.
watch the vid and how it responds to all the links you put out, which are actually leading to the same very few shady sources.
nothing is easier than faking a study. this is how the stores and pharmacies got filled with poisons

with the current developments in science and with good nutrition people can easily live up to 100 years or more
that would mean many years cashing the retirement money, which otherwise would stay in the budget, and can be spent on profitable biz, like guns and pharma. what would you do if you had all the power you need and you were some "very powerful and rich people that create fortunes for generations off the ignorance of other people"?
think for yourself freely, avoid limitations like conversational cliches like "tinfoil hat" or "conspiracy headz"
"the hype machine" i am feeding only helped people, the propaganda machine you are feeding only killed and hurt people and got us in the shithole we're in today.

alien pimp

Science magazine and the National Cancer institute are shady sources?

It's one thing to post a fake study on the internet, but it's another thing to be published in journals and to be peer-reviewed. Many attempts have been made to recreate the one experiment by the one doctor but never have the same results shown up. I agree that a lot of our popular prescriptions are addictive, poisonous garbage, but this is just another one that would be added to the list. It produces cyanide. When you try and sell it as a "cancer-cure", you get arrested for fraud, and rightly so. If you took an incorrect dosage of this it would definitely damage your body.

Honestly I've seen dozens of "documentaries" like these, and they're filled with misleading nuances. I won't take an hour of my time to watch it when I could spend that time on my production, but if you could find something I can read that tells me what's "shady" about these studies then I'll happily pick it apart.

[gargantuan]

almost the same amount of stupidity as assuming that saying cancer requires treatment by professional doctors with known and proven techniques is tantamount to 'one pill for every ill'

david hasselhoff is known too, that means he's quality?
the only thing proven is most patients die in pain, very few survive. you don't know shit about what are you talking about.

im still curious about who is controlling the population control scheme, and where the evidence for that is. probably cant blame this on the chinese since they have their own special way of population control... but im struggling... enlighten me

no one can, you can't even read the posts of the guy you're contradicting

btw, i watchd the documentary last night, it was FULL of shit. some of their supposed 'credible' sources were the fucking doctors who 'invented' laetrile and were trying to market it...?!

who's marketing what?
do you believe better the marketers of bayer?
is it a shame to be a doctor/researcher and put your reputation behind your work? should we disregard authors voice? then do it with every product!
do you think the lab cats that invented aspartame are safer? how about the doctors and specialists that vouched for it only to find later a general agreement over its toxicity, but no reaction from the state.

i actually do believe there are alternative ways of treating cancer, i believe there is certainly a business aspect to the disease, like most diseases, what i DONT believe is that every fucking doctor who advocates conventional treatment as opposed to searching for things like laetrile are a PART of it, i believe that the way they have found of destroying cancer cells for the time being is what they feel to be most effective, and it has been shown in NUMEROUS clinical trials.

if they are, how do you feel about them being illegal? if they work, why you claimed earlier any mature people would get himself radiated to death?
the shit about the doctors works both ways and you don't have any idea about the clinical trials you are talking about, not to mention the conventional treatments are a matter of decades of experience now, not clinical trials

the very fact they've labelled laetrile as 'vitamin b17' when in fact it is NOT a vitamin at all, surely should set some alarm bells ringing?? its clearly been done in an attempt to avoid conventional pharmaceutical testing which from what i've read it simply would not pass. for someone so into conspiracies your very picky and choosy with what side you take.

i don't know if it's a real vitamin or not, i can't judge that and i don't care, it's irrelevant, it's a possible cure
you have no idea what you are talking about again. no one tried to avoid anything and you don't know how vitamins are treated today, you're just lying about reading stuff now
what rings my bell is the aspartame, ciggies, E's, mcdonalds, xanax and all the shit made available on the market by the same people you want me to believe when they try to suffocate anything that endangers the biz of their friends or of their own.

alien pimp

[gargantuan]

Science magazine and the National Cancer Society are shady sources?

It's one thing to post a fake study on the internet, but it's another thing to be published in journals and to be peer-reviewed. Many attempts have been made to recreate the one experiment by the one doctor but never have the same results shown up. I agree that a lot of our popular prescriptions are addictive, poisonous garbage, but this is just another one that would be added to the list. It produces cyanide. When you try and sell it as a "cancer-cure", you get arrested for fraud, and rightly so. If you took an incorrect dosage of this it would definitely damage your body.

Honestly I've seen dozens of "documentaries" like these, and they're filled with misleading nuances. I won't take an hour of my time to watch it when I could spend that time on my production, but if you could find something I can read that tells me what's "shady" about these studies then I'll happily pick it apart.

SM + NCS are not sources, they quote sources

but yeah, the NCS is one of the shadiest ever, they supervise the cancer biz and they had billions in funds and they could come up with nothing. well, except bans for treatments that might have a chance at curing people

SM is just a magazine, they don't research themselves, they feed the audience what they are fed, but carefully to not upset a certain mentality widespread among their readers, their sponsors and whoever might have an influence on such a publication. there is no such thing as free press
also think who's advertising in such a mag!!

alien pimp

[noam]

almost the same amount of stupidity as assuming that saying cancer requires treatment by professional doctors with known and proven techniques is tantamount to 'one pill for every ill'

david hasselhoff is known too, that means he's quality?
the only thing proven is most patients die in pain, very few survive. you don't know shit about what are you talking about.

im still curious about who is controlling the population control scheme, and where the evidence for that is. probably cant blame this on the chinese since they have their own special way of population control... but im struggling... enlighten me

no one can, you can't even read the posts of the guy you're contradicting

btw, i watchd the documentary last night, it was FULL of shit. some of their supposed 'credible' sources were the fucking doctors who 'invented' laetrile and were trying to market it...?!

who's marketing what?
do you believe better the marketers of bayer?
is it a shame to be a doctor/researcher and put your reputation behind your work? should we disregard authors voice? then do it with every product!
do you think the lab cats that invented aspartame are safer? how about the doctors and specialists that vouched for it only to find later a general agreement over its toxicity, but no reaction from the state.

i actually do believe there are alternative ways of treating cancer, i believe there is certainly a business aspect to the disease, like most diseases, what i DONT believe is that every fucking doctor who advocates conventional treatment as opposed to searching for things like laetrile are a PART of it, i believe that the way they have found of destroying cancer cells for the time being is what they feel to be most effective, and it has been shown in NUMEROUS clinical trials.

if they are, how do you feel about them being illegal? if they work, why you claimed earlier any mature people would get himself radiated to death?
the shit about the doctors works both ways and you don't have any idea about the clinical trials you are talking about, not to mention the conventional treatments are a matter of decades of experience now, not clinical trials

the very fact they've labelled laetrile as 'vitamin b17' when in fact it is NOT a vitamin at all, surely should set some alarm bells ringing?? its clearly been done in an attempt to avoid conventional pharmaceutical testing which from what i've read it simply would not pass. for someone so into conspiracies your very picky and choosy with what side you take.

i don't know if it's a real vitamin or not, i can't judge that and i don't care, it's irrelevant, it's a possible cure
you have no idea what you are talking about again. no one tried to avoid anything and you don't know how vitamins are treated today, you're just lying about reading stuff now
what rings my bell is the aspartame, ciggies, E's, mcdonalds, xanax and all the shit made available on the market by the same people you want me to believe when they try to suffocate anything that endangers the biz of their friends or of their own.

alien pimp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amygdalin

read the section on 'laetrile' ive already posted it once. btw, before you start waffling about wikipedia, there are 37 independant sources and sections of the article to do with the drug have been reprinted in the encyclopaedia britannica

once again, for someone so concerned with conspiracy you're very quick to pick and choose which side to believe.

it just seems so black and white to you, convention = bad.

[AllNightDayDream]

Science magazine and the National Cancer Society are shady sources?

It's one thing to post a fake study on the internet, but it's another thing to be published in journals and to be peer-reviewed. Many attempts have been made to recreate the one experiment by the one doctor but never have the same results shown up. I agree that a lot of our popular prescriptions are addictive, poisonous garbage, but this is just another one that would be added to the list. It produces cyanide. When you try and sell it as a "cancer-cure", you get arrested for fraud, and rightly so. If you took an incorrect dosage of this it would definitely damage your body.

Honestly I've seen dozens of "documentaries" like these, and they're filled with misleading nuances. I won't take an hour of my time to watch it when I could spend that time on my production, but if you could find something I can read that tells me what's "shady" about these studies then I'll happily pick it apart.

SM + NCS are not sources, they quote sources
alien pimp

Yup. That's what magazines/journals/newspapers do.

Also yeah cancer research hasn't produced the most results given the gargantuan ( ) amount of funding they get, but that's irrelevant and there could be many causes for that. It takes a pretty long time to reach any objective in research. Now that we have the genome mapped, I think further understanding our DNA will bring some promising results.

[gargantuan]

almost the same amount of stupidity as assuming that saying cancer requires treatment by professional doctors with known and proven techniques is tantamount to 'one pill for every ill'

david hasselhoff is known too, that means he's quality?
the only thing proven is most patients die in pain, very few survive. you don't know shit about what are you talking about.

im still curious about who is controlling the population control scheme, and where the evidence for that is. probably cant blame this on the chinese since they have their own special way of population control... but im struggling... enlighten me

no one can, you can't even read the posts of the guy you're contradicting

btw, i watchd the documentary last night, it was FULL of shit. some of their supposed 'credible' sources were the fucking doctors who 'invented' laetrile and were trying to market it...?!

who's marketing what?
do you believe better the marketers of bayer?
is it a shame to be a doctor/researcher and put your reputation behind your work? should we disregard authors voice? then do it with every product!
do you think the lab cats that invented aspartame are safer? how about the doctors and specialists that vouched for it only to find later a general agreement over its toxicity, but no reaction from the state.

i actually do believe there are alternative ways of treating cancer, i believe there is certainly a business aspect to the disease, like most diseases, what i DONT believe is that every fucking doctor who advocates conventional treatment as opposed to searching for things like laetrile are a PART of it, i believe that the way they have found of destroying cancer cells for the time being is what they feel to be most effective, and it has been shown in NUMEROUS clinical trials.

if they are, how do you feel about them being illegal? if they work, why you claimed earlier any mature people would get himself radiated to death?
the shit about the doctors works both ways and you don't have any idea about the clinical trials you are talking about, not to mention the conventional treatments are a matter of decades of experience now, not clinical trials

the very fact they've labelled laetrile as 'vitamin b17' when in fact it is NOT a vitamin at all, surely should set some alarm bells ringing?? its clearly been done in an attempt to avoid conventional pharmaceutical testing which from what i've read it simply would not pass. for someone so into conspiracies your very picky and choosy with what side you take.

i don't know if it's a real vitamin or not, i can't judge that and i don't care, it's irrelevant, it's a possible cure
you have no idea what you are talking about again. no one tried to avoid anything and you don't know how vitamins are treated today, you're just lying about reading stuff now
what rings my bell is the aspartame, ciggies, E's, mcdonalds, xanax and all the shit made available on the market by the same people you want me to believe when they try to suffocate anything that endangers the biz of their friends or of their own.

alien pimp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amygdalin

read the section on 'laetrile' ive already posted it once. btw, before you start waffling about wikipedia, there are 37 independant sources and sections of the article to do with the drug have been reprinted in the encyclopaedia britannica

once again, for someone so concerned with conspiracy you're very quick to pick and choose which side to believe.

it just seems so black and white to you, convention = bad.

it just seems you can't read and when you can, you can't make any sense of it... you seem to think an article filled with blue links and large references is automatically safe. and the article is not even supporting you

first of all: list me the studies made on b17 that diss its efficiency, as provided by your article
there's 3-4 of them... get into it and see how they were done and if the allegations in the documentary about them are true
then list me the partisans of this treatment and their studies, get into it and see how they were done and if the allegations of their opponents about them are true
then talk to me
ah, better don't talk to me anymore... you're never interesting or useful, just boring

alien pimp

[noam]

you're just never right.

[gargantuan]

Yup. That's what magazines/journals/newspapers do.

and yet you have no problem trusting them with your life or your family's... well, i think this is some sort of natural justice

Also yeah cancer research hasn't produced the most results given the gargantuan ( ) amount of funding they get, but that's irrelevant and there could be many causes for that. It takes a pretty long time to reach any objective in research. Now that we have the genome mapped, I think further understanding our DNA will bring some promising results.

yeah, sure, they sorted pretty much everything by now with much less funds, just this ... it's gotta be about the genome for sure, you wait for it!

they have the motives, the means and the opportunities to make huge money on ignorant slaves like us, but they'll just give up on it because those people got rich helping other people and that's what they live for

[AllNightDayDream]

Yup. That's what magazines/journals/newspapers do.

and yet you have no problem trusting them with your life or your family's... well, i think this is some sort of natural justice

That's a pretty alarmist position. I don't know how you go day to day if you presume everything is a lie. The scientific community may not be perfect, but they are an extremely productive bunch. One of the better facets of our society. I wouldn't confuse them with, say, pharmaceutical companies, who I wouldn't trust with jack shit.

see how they were done and if the allegations in the documentary about them are true

The burden of proof is on you to show what was wrong with these studies. They've been peer reviewed quite well and the scientific consensus has been pretty consistent. No need to get egotistical about it.

[gargantuan]

you lost me here...
who said i believe everything is a lie?
why would i believe in people that have a long history of lies and killings? again: do you trust the people who tell you aspartame, marlboro and xanax are safe?
do you know how they interconnect - the scientists, pharma, fda and all?
you don't trust the pharma but you trust the scientists and the magazines that they are sponsoring? how about their lobby, like how it works? you know how many billions they put in lobbying?
you know pharma's contribution to the gdp? with that kind of money, you think making the masses believe anything would be a problem?

"the burden of proof" is one of the most horrible concepts outside a court-room
truth is a burden only for those who run from it! is that your case? no worries, i have no way and no will to enforce it on you. it's you who will be living by your beliefs, not me. yeah, we are all influenced by the general beliefs, but i stopped hoping for anything good from that direction, i'm fully adapted to this reality and i'm just doing my duty to provide reason and what i believe it's truth, for my own self-respect and inner balance. do whatever with it!

if truth can't make you happy, lies won't for sure, that's how i get through life and i gotta say i love my life now 1000 times better than when i was a drone looking for happiness in self-delusion and shallow comfort.

alien pimp

[AllNightDayDream]

you lost me here...
who said i believe everything is a lie?
why would i believe in people that have a long history of lies and killings? again: do you trust the people who tell you aspartame, marlboro and xanax are safe?
do you know how they interconnect - the scientists, pharma, fda and all?
you don't trust the pharma but you trust the scientists and the magazines that they are sponsoring? how about their lobby, like how it works? you know how many billions they put in lobbying?
you know pharma's contribution to the gdp? with that kind of money, you think making the masses believe anything would be a problem?

Alright dude you're going on a total tangent. Tobacco companies sell marlboros and they'll tell you in your face smoking kills you. A doctor will tell you what happens when you take too many bars and that it's addictive. Everything is interconnected. What's your point? There's no substance here

"the burden of proof" is one of the most horrible concepts outside a court-room
truth is a burden only for those who run from it! is that your case? no worries, i have no way and no will to enforce it on you. it's you who will be living by your beliefs, not me. yeah, we are all influenced by the general beliefs, but i stopped hoping for anything good from that direction, i'm fully adapted to this reality and i'm just doing my duty to provide reason and what i believe it's truth, for my own self-respect and inner balance. do whatever with it!

if truth can't make you happy, lies won't for sure, that's how i get through life and i gotta say i love my life now 1000 times better than when i was a drone looking for happiness in self-delusion and shallow comfort.

alien pimp

@underline:

So basically, you don't have any evidence? alright, sweet.