Your stance on torrenting and downloading music.

[seckle]

in the 13th century, the famous russian icon painters like theotokus above, painted the first religious themed artwork, which would later become adopted by the vatican as religious iconography. none of their work was ever signed, as it was the thinking at that time that the actual ritual of painting was in service of god. they did not consider themselves artists. they considered their paintings as prayer. fast forward to 2010, and people pursue art for many reasons, but removing the financial ability for artists to spend time developing their craft, means they're forced into creating music that will sell, rather than experimenting or creating music because they just have to. its not hard to see why there are 1500 producers trying their hardest to sound like burial, or skream. in one sense filesharing has ended up encouraging similarity and blandness. look at the fucking music industry. britney comes out, sells millions, and then they roll out 5 other versions of slightly different britney's. all guaranteed to make money.....

[nicenice]

thing is, if people really wanted to make music. they would do it regardless of money and piracy. that's where the best music comes from anyway

[laurent__duval]

thing is, if people really wanted to make music. they would do it regardless of money and piracy. that's where the best music comes from anyway

[WhosZena]

You found a stack of stolen vinyl on the street, you would leave it right?.. Just one.. wouldn't hurt..

The internet is like this, times Google

[capo ultra]

i'm talking about the larger issue of filesharing. the longterm impact.

rose tinted glasses maybe but end of capitalism?

[DRTY]

I don't download anything illegally now. Well not illegal to my morals anyway; I download stuff I've previously bought, for example, I've bought the Curb Your Enthusiasm series twice now, and fancied watching a couple eps again but didn't wanna pay out again for it.

I download music under the same principle. If I've previously bought it then I don't really see any harm. If I want to 'test' an album I'll use YouTube or SoundCloud etc.

Digital music is so fucking stupidly cheap anyway it's just easier to buy than download. Anyone who uses the argument 'I can't afford it' is most likely lying; an MP3/WAV costs about the same as a bottle of Coke.

I'd never accept an unreleased track from friends/contacts through AIM etc as I think it's a cuntish thing to do, and I never share dubs I've been sent, but people do ask/offer and it pisses me off.

[butt jolokia]

I find it ironic that everyone is making themselves their own little excuses for stealing music. If you honestly believe it wasn't stealing, you wouldn't have to need an excuse.

[butt jolokia]

thing is, if people really wanted to make music. they would do it regardless of money and piracy. that's where the best music comes from anyway

time (which is money) and money go into creating intellectual property. do you know the cost of movie production? profits are needed to live on and finance more projects.

[deadly_habit]

charging abhorrent ammounts on the second hand market where neither the label or artists sees a dime is where the real robbery occurs

[fractal]

what i find ironic is the people who won't steal music, and preach about it rather passionately, but have no problem stealing programs, movies, etc... too funny

[deadly_habit]

thing is, if people really wanted to make music. they would do it regardless of money and piracy. that's where the best music comes from anyway

time (which is money) and money go into creating intellectual property. do you know the cost of movie production? profits are needed to live on and finance more projects.

movie production doesn't "need" to cost anything near what they cost as is, especially when you see low budget flicks shit all over big name actor cgi wank fests
i'm sorry but the complete distortion of the salaries some of these people demand is just as ridiculous as sports athletes

[butt jolokia]

in the 13th century, the famous russian icon painters like theotokus above, painted the first religious themed artwork, which would later become adopted by the vatican as religious iconography. none of their work was ever signed, as it was the thinking at that time that the actual ritual of painting was in service of god. they did not consider themselves artists. they considered their paintings as prayer. fast forward to 2010, and people pursue art for many reasons, but removing the financial ability for artists to spend time developing their craft, means they're forced into creating music that will sell, rather than experimenting or creating music because they just have to. its not hard to see why there are 1500 producers trying their hardest to sound like burial, or skream. in one sense filesharing has ended up encouraging similarity and blandness. look at the fucking music industry. britney comes out, sells millions, and then they roll out 5 other versions of slightly different britney's. all guaranteed to make money.....

And Burial's music is on the Hyperdub label. And Hyperdub has an entire roster of cutting-edge future music... all of which are *for sale*
Ask Mr. Goodman about the future of his label if no one purchases it's music. Better yet... as Mike Paradinas how he feels about piracy. Planet Mu has picked up where Warp left off long ago. Mike's label is intended to make profits, yet its in many opinions as being the most progressive electronic music label to exist. And trust me.. he despises piracy!

[butt jolokia]

what i find ironic is the people who won't steal music, and preach about it rather passionately, but have no problem stealing programs, movies, etc... too funny

you say that as if you're directing it at me? if so.. no. I don't pirate ANY intellectual property.. movies, games, music, or any wares. i'm just a person with a conscious and understand the concept of theft.

[fractal]

thing is, if people really wanted to make music. they would do it regardless of money and piracy. that's where the best music comes from anyway

time (which is money) and money go into creating intellectual property. do you know the cost of movie production? profits are needed to live on and finance more projects.

movie production doesn't "need" to cost anything near what they cost as is, especially when you see low budget flicks shit all over big name actor cgi wank fests
i'm sorry but the complete distortion of the salaries some of these people demand is just as ridiculous as sports athletes

you can rationalize it all you want... programmers don't get paid like movie stars. and the work is hard as hell

let's leave movies out of it, what about programs and games?

setting parameters to rationalize....

and no, i'm not directing that comment at anyone in particular, bass hertz, just making an observation

[deadly_habit]

what i find ironic is the people who won't steal music, and preach about it rather passionately, but have no problem stealing programs, movies, etc... too funny

programs there is usually a free or cheap alternative or come from smaller developers who deserve every little dime especially when you put a value on how many hours you get out of them (speaking of music programs atm), movies lets face it how much money they piss away and how ridiculously priced it is to go to see a movie in a theater for one watch vs waiting and getting it on dvd or whatever format...
music is one of the few entertainment industries that has adapted to be cheap and accessible to enjoy for the most part

[butt jolokia]

thing is, if people really wanted to make music. they would do it regardless of money and piracy. that's where the best music comes from anyway

time (which is money) and money go into creating intellectual property. do you know the cost of movie production? profits are needed to live on and finance more projects.

movie production doesn't "need" to cost anything near what they cost as is, especially when you see low budget flicks shit all over big name actor cgi wank fests
i'm sorry but the complete distortion of the salaries some of these people demand is just as ridiculous as sports athletes

Maybe you should get a job in the film industry as a Budget Planner. Really. Go and clean things up for them.

[fractal]

so, deadly, what's your stance on downloading programs, games and movies? i don't really get it from your posts... don't skirt the issue

[butt jolokia]

This entitlement generation really is a fucking sore on the ass of society. Kids think everything should be free, and no one deserves compensation for their hard work.

[deadly_habit]

thing is, if people really wanted to make music. they would do it regardless of money and piracy. that's where the best music comes from anyway

time (which is money) and money go into creating intellectual property. do you know the cost of movie production? profits are needed to live on and finance more projects.

movie production doesn't "need" to cost anything near what they cost as is, especially when you see low budget flicks shit all over big name actor cgi wank fests
i'm sorry but the complete distortion of the salaries some of these people demand is just as ridiculous as sports athletes

Maybe you should get a job in the film industry as a Budget Planner. Really. Go and clean things up for them.

i'm as qualified for that as you would be as having to do with politics, but if you think that they deserve the salaries they get vs someone doing something worthwhile and not entertainment for the world more power to you

[deadly_habit]

so, deadly, what's your stance on downloading programs, games and movies? i don't really get it from your posts... don't skirt the issue

programs - nope
games - nope
movies - yup

programs and games for the most part are reasonably priced and have adapted to the consumer base over the years as far as delivery systems and mediums plus there like i said before is usually free or cheaper alternatives that do pretty much the same thing (steam, direct download, giving up on unnecessary drm and also lately healthy competition on the independent development front)

the movie industry i find to be the opposite and even say tv wise when cable companies offer services such as dvr, how is that different from downloading episodes of a show?