Fuck the UK

[deadly_habit]

But we have hip hop too, which trumps the US scene, mainstream and underground.

with intercontinental cross over appeal when it comes to mainstream?

[symmetricalsounds]

Common is a great studio artist but not really what I'd consider a great representation of a US MC.

yeah man truth, which made his actions of trying be big man even more surprising.

really talented but fuck his racist ignorant ways, it boggles my mind how someone like him and lauren hill can do a track like 'retrospect for life' which is incredibly eloquent and beautiful yet be so retarded in other ways. suppose that goes with the other thread 'artists v personality'.

[wolf89]

Pkay sees Xfactor video and thinks it sums up the UK's view on hip hop

fucking idiot.

It's fucking X factor god dammit

[wubstep]

But we have hip hop too, which trumps the US scene, mainstream and underground.

with intercontinental cross over appeal when it comes to mainstream?

No, because Americans (generalisations huzzah!) are obtuse and wont listen to anything with a different accent.

The biggest names in UKHH (actual hip-hop, not pop-rnb-grime shite) are considerably smaller than a lot of US underground HH. Go figure.

[pkay]

But we have hip hop too, which trumps the US scene, mainstream and underground.

1) there's no such thing as underground in 2010

2) don't be silly

[pkay]

Pkay sees Xfactor video and thinks it sums up the UK's view on hip hop

fucking idiot.

It's fucking X factor god dammit

read back on page 3. I'm just poking fun for the sake of poking fun.

I'm well aware everything on british tv is terrible be it talent shows, original programming, etc

[pkay]

But we have hip hop too, which trumps the US scene, mainstream and underground.

with intercontinental cross over appeal when it comes to mainstream?

No, because Americans (generalisations huzzah!) are obtuse and wont listen to anything with a different accent.

The biggest names in UKHH (actual hip-hop, not pop-rnb-grime shite) are considerably smaller than a lot of US underground HH. Go figure.

there is no such thing as underground hip hop. That's a term used by white kids in the US to justify listening to hip hop without losing cred to their hipster friends.

The hillarious thing about you saying we don't like people with other accents is that a lot of our artists in the US are defined by their unique regional accents, draws, and slang. That's kinda why we don't feel a lot of UK MC's... they're trying to be too fast, they over annunciate, and they try and rhyme too battle oriented. All things that generally don't go over well in the US

[symmetricalsounds]

there is no such thing as underground hip hop. That's a term used by white kids in the US to justify listening to hip hop without losing cred to their hipster friends.

that is bollocks, you definitely can't tell me co flow is anything but underground.

[wubstep]

Stop being obtuse, you know exactly what I mean. I have no hipster friends.

Your argument doesn't even make sense, how can there NOT be something as 'underground'. I hate the phrase but to say it doesn't exist is just 'tarded.

Also;

Probably posted this before but it's fiyaaaa.

[pkay]

there is no such thing as underground hip hop. That's a term used by white kids in the US to justify listening to hip hop without losing cred to their hipster friends.

that is bollocks, you definitely can't tell me co flow is anything but underground.

do you mean independent? because this is 2010... there is no underground hip hop. When I google Company Flow Hip Hop and get 323 Thousand results, you ain't underground homie.

[deadly_habit]

there is no such thing as underground hip hop. That's a term used by white kids in the US to justify listening to hip hop without losing cred to their hipster friends.

that is bollocks, you definitely can't tell me co flow is anything but underground.

even if there was an "underground" scene company flow would be far from it

[wubstep]

"Company Flow" - 162,000
"Jam Baxter" - 3,200

?

[pkay]

Stop being obtuse, you know exactly what I mean. I have no hipster friends.

Your argument doesn't even make sense, how can there NOT be something as 'underground'. I hate the phrase but to say it doesn't exist is just 'tarded.

Also;

Probably posted this before but it's fiyaaaa.

The fact that you just linked me a youtube of what you feel is underground means that it is not underground. I think you mean independent hip hop. There is no underground in 2010 and the fact that people are trying to imply there is, is a facepalm and a half.

[wubstep]

So anything on Youtube isn't underground? ...

Independent and underground have always been essentially the same thing, but independent implies they are signed, which many artists are not.

[symmetricalsounds]

there is no such thing as underground hip hop. That's a term used by white kids in the US to justify listening to hip hop without losing cred to their hipster friends.

that is bollocks, you definitely can't tell me co flow is anything but underground.

even if there was an "underground" scene company flow would be far from it

if we're talking about sound then i don't reckon.

[deadly_habit]

there is no such thing as underground hip hop. That's a term used by white kids in the US to justify listening to hip hop without losing cred to their hipster friends.

that is bollocks, you definitely can't tell me co flow is anything but underground.

even if there was an "underground" scene company flow would be far from it

if we're talking about sound then i don't reckon.

it's different from the charts shit, but that doesn't make it underground, company flow is a pretty widely recognized name in hip hop

[pkay]

there is no such thing as underground hip hop. That's a term used by white kids in the US to justify listening to hip hop without losing cred to their hipster friends.

that is bollocks, you definitely can't tell me co flow is anything but underground.

even if there was an "underground" scene company flow would be far from it

if we're talking about sound then i don't reckon.

would you say someone was underground dubstep?

[noam]

tbf im with the yankies on this one, US hip hop slaughters british hip hop, horribly, then defecates on its limp body

uk hip hop stands up for itself with the line ''we've finally learned to rhyme in our own accent, with our own slang'', but in most ways we're way behind

i wouldn't pretend to know about any US underground hip hop, from what i know about underground scenes you only know about it when you're a part of it and when you know about it but aren't a part of it... guess what... its not that underground anymore.

in any case that Jam Baxter dude was alrite, i'd prefer to listen to him and never have to look at him again in my life though...

[symmetricalsounds]

there is no such thing as underground hip hop. That's a term used by white kids in the US to justify listening to hip hop without losing cred to their hipster friends.

that is bollocks, you definitely can't tell me co flow is anything but underground.

even if there was an "underground" scene company flow would be far from it

if we're talking about sound then i don't reckon.

it's different from the charts shit, but that doesn't make it underground, company flow is a pretty widely recognized name in hip hop

not that widely, ask someone who listens to whatever the latest big act is about co flow and i doubt they would know. you and me know but i reckon even if you asked people who were big into nas or people like that they still wouldn't know.

[symmetricalsounds]

but in most ways we're way behind

my counterpoint