One off cuts-THE CARVERY's EVERLASTING DUBPLTE SERVICE!!!

curious george · Post by **curious george** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:34 pm

How you doing? Just a quick note to let you know about 'THE CARVERY'. The Carvery provides a unique record cutting service designed for DJs and producers who want to get one off copies or short runs of their tracks.We cut everlasting dubplates not to be confused with your regular dubplates, these records last for as long as a regular record and don't run out of steam! The way it works is you send us your cd and we transfer it to vinyl and send it back to you within a couple of days. To make things easier, by the end of next week you will be able to upload your tracks onto our server. The products available at the moment are 7,10 and 12 inch records as well as never before seen before, 5 inch c.d size record, ideal for those people with itchy fingers. We also produce very thin transparent, 1mm 12inch records designed specially for scratching, these way only 80g and are as fast as a slipmat. Artists using The Carvery include:Prins Thomas(fidelity records) DJ Yoda, Boca 45 and Andy Smith(Dynamo Production's) MUDD(rong music), Quantic, The Nextmen,The mixologists(DMC champions) and DJ Monk One(wax poetics). For further details get in touch with Frank or George at www.carverycuts.com and info@carverycuts.com we look forward to hearing from you.
peace Frank and George(THE CARVERY)

tense · Post by **tense** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:14 pm

I saw your website a while back but I have to say I was a bit put off by this bit in the FAQ, which I thought wouldn't make them very good for actual dubstep tunes themselves, but I don't claim to know much about the subject.

What can I not do?
We cannot record very low sub-bass.

No bass in stereo.

We can make VERY loud records! +12db. However, there cannot be too much bass or stereo in the track.

What happens if my bass is in stereo?
If the bass is in stereo, it will make the needle cut very deeply into the record, which will make the playback needle jump out of the groove.
We then have two choices: We don't cut the track or we make the bass mono. On these occasions, we would contact you to discuss the problem.

autonomic · Post by **autonomic** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:41 pm

The sub-bass thing would seem to preclude cutting dubstep discs.

What's the technology behind this? Is it that vinyl recorder from Vestax? (http://www.vestax.com/v/recorders/recorders.html)

pete_bubonic · Post by **pete_bubonic** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:53 pm

autonomic wrote:The sub-bass thing would seem to preclude cutting dubstep discs.

What's the technology behind this? Is it that vinyl recorder from Vestax? (http://www.vestax.com/v/recorders/recorders.html)

As far as I am aware, the sub bass mono and not overpowering is standard for all cutting, otherwise the needle skips everywhere I think...

kion · Post by **kion** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:01 pm

We can make VERY loud records! +12db. However, there cannot be too much bass or stereo in the track.

Well that bit they're just saying that if you want a really loud record, it'll cost you in bass and stereo spread - which is a fair enough comment.

I'd rather have a quieter record with more bass than a cranked trebly mess.

intoccabile · Post by **intoccabile** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:59 pm

I'd like to do short runs !

I've sent you an e-mail, Mr gerorge

tense · Post by **tense** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:11 pm

interesting points, I'd been keen to hear how a dubstep tune using this method sounds in comparison to a normal dubplate pressing

dubmugga · Post by **dubmugga** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:16 pm

sounds good...

...cut both sides i presume ???

autonomic · Post by **autonomic** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:10 pm

I think the idea is that big bass has to go mono (stereo bass is a bit pointless anyway) but that tracks with significant sub-bass are simply not possible because of the medium itself. Whereas acetates can handle it. But yeah, i'd like to learn more and hear a comparison.

Citrus Boy · Post by **Citrus Boy** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:57 am

all cutting places HAVE to put the sub in mono and tighten up the stereo spread as standard..

perhaps not to the extreme dvm plates do cos its a very tought material to cut compared to dub/master laquers.

curious george · Post by **curious george** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 12:07 pm

Hi,

Ok, the bass issue... We can cut super low bass, but like with all vinyl, if you cut it too low the playback needle can jump out the groove. The threshhold for acetates and our plates is the same. 25hz to 12.5. Khz

To be honest, the website needs updating, and you are all right with your queries. When we wrote it we weren't at the stage where we are now. We now have sub-bass processors, multiband compressors, denoizers and use a 1400w amp to power the diamond that cuts into the vinyl plate.

Answers...

Autonomic: Yes, Bass in mono is a necesity for all vinyl.

dubmugga: We cut both sides, yes.

KION: Yes, you are right, bass takes up the space on the plate, so if you have a 10 minute track and you put it on a 10" we would have to take most of the bass out to enable us to fit it on. This is the reason a 12" plate wil always sound better than a 10" or 7". Bigger the circle the faster the playback needle runs through the groove.

Autonomic: Naaa, Vestax machine is a toy in comparrison to what we use. Works on the same principle (as all record cutting does), but Vestax thought they could throw something together and crack the seeminly impossible all in one box! What we use is a jumble of Pro Tools, hardware, lathe, amps, compressors, stereo enhancers... At the end of the day, the reason why there aren't a lot of people cutting on Vinyl is because its not easy. I spend night and day working on how to get the best sound out of my equipment (sad innit) and am now getting excellent results.

Tense: Yeah you're right... need to re-write the site FAQ's... not really in our favour.

Over the last few weeks we have been purely concentrating on the bass element of our cuts develping the sound with the Mixologists, we cut a whole load of tracks that sounded super-heavy.

We are a young company, and appreciate, support and feedback. We are happy to have people come into the studio and work with us on the cuts.

We are keen to work in develpoment with artists to get the best sound possible.

Any questions let me know... info@carverycuts.com

7 below · Post by **7 below** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 12:10 pm

You should be putting a 25 hz cut on your tunes anyway - cos the frequencys below this are just creating more energy and you can't even hear them... - this ain't the range of sub - you're looking more 50-100 hz (I think)

curious george · Post by **curious george** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 12:42 pm

people should do a lot of things to their tracks before cutting to vinyl. Mixing and mastering is the real crunch of a producer.

pete_bubonic · Post by **pete_bubonic** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 12:50 pm

7 below wrote:You should be putting a 25 hz cut on your tunes anyway - cos the frequencys below this are just creating more energy and you can't even hear them... - this ain't the range of sub - you're looking more 50-100 hz (I think)

Now I was always curious about this, because yes, you can't much below 29 hz, but you can feel it. And the rigs I have worked with and had experience with have had sub's with range down to about 22hz. So playing around with things when I was working a sound tech in a club at uni, I made a cd with test tones on it and we couldn't hear 29 or below, but you could feel the place rumble. However this got practically non existant after about 23 hz (due to the rig and crossovers we were using). This particular test was on a 3 year old 15k ex gatecrasher rig, so no small potatoes.

So, in a genre defined by bass, do you perhaps sacrafice sound quality for feel on a rig or vice versa?

autonomic · Post by **autonomic** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:58 pm

Thanks for clearing all of that up Curious.

pete bubonic wrote:So, in a genre defined by bass, do you perhaps sacrafice sound quality for feel on a rig or vice versa?

I've been wondering this myself.

curious george · Post by **curious george** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 3:13 pm

Thats a good question Pete, I think it is down to the cutting engineer and his experience of sound systems (and how far he feels hecan push his luck). I like the harmonic distortion you get at the very low frequencies but removing them and boosting the frequencies above the threshold will give you a nice crisp bass sound instead ofthe drone you were talking about. I do similar tests with my record cutting. I take bass frequencies from 20hz to 50hZ sine waves and cut records to see the effect it has on the needle and to see how when it stops being audible or the playback starts to shake in the groove.

tense · Post by **tense** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 4:11 pm

Cheers for posting a response george, looks like your process has potential. Hope all you hard work pays off.

DJAnthologic · Post by **DJAnthologic** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:13 am

Looking forwards to doing work with you both very shortly Frank & George!!! Blessings!

antipode · Post by **antipode** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:21 am

Big up. It's good to see other people getting into dubs/pressing. All the best guys.

One off cuts-THE CARVERY's EVERLASTING DUBPLTE SERVICE!!!

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