WikiLeaks

[64hz]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wol ... 95899.html

Apologies if this is a repost.

interesting article, thanks.

[aftee]

I agree with that.

The problem is however, that he is being treated like a criminal, while the rest of the people that publish this information are overlooked.
He didn't personally steal the data from the US government, and the person who did is at trial.
Does not compute?

He is a criminal. In my opinion, leaking hundreds of thousands of classified documents is much worse than just stealing them. The only reason he's not in the same situation as the person who stole the data is because he doesn't live here.

[Swissdub]

would you class the NY times as criminals for releasing the pentagon papers years ago?


i find it funny the people who are behind all this wrong doing that wiki leaks exposed, are the people trying to put him behind bars.


shits fucked up

[frank grimes jr.]

I agree with that.

The problem is however, that he is being treated like a criminal, while the rest of the people that publish this information are overlooked.
He didn't personally steal the data from the US government, and the person who did is at trial.
Does not compute?

He is a criminal. In my opinion, leaking hundreds of thousands of classified documents is much worse than just stealing them. The only reason he's not in the same situation as the person who stole the data is because he doesn't live here.

So we need extradition on the editor's of the Guardian.
They should not have published the leaks either, in your opinion.

Keep in mind that your opinion doesn't mean shit, if the law reads different.

[aftee]

The amount of information that he's threatening to leak is vastly different than the people you guys are comparing him to.

Oh yeah, isn't he a rapist?

Nah, government cover up.

[xarcane]

The amount of information that he's threatening to leak is vastly different than the people you guys are comparing him to.

Oh yeah, isn't he a rapist?

Nah, government cover up.

Fuck you. Fuck you with a rusty spoon and a steak-knife in your japs-eye, you. fucking. idiot.

[cosmic_surgeon]

He is a criminal. In my opinion, leaking hundreds of thousands of classified documents is much worse than just stealing them.

Why? I've seen a few people who share this sentiment, but not seen anything other than the assertion that classified documents ought to remain classified (which isn't good enough). Do you think our governments should be granted secrecy? If so, why?

Bottom line: so long as the awareness of injustice is kept behind closed doors injustice can continue indefinitely. Do you think that US operations in South America in the 70's and 80's could have continued the way they were doing (assassination of Oscar Romero, penis in mouth attrocities, violent suppression of social movements) if those documents were declassified when the administrations responsible for authorising the operations were in power?

If you want to understand the motivation for the leaks, check these out:

http://cryptome.org/0002/ja-conspiracies.pdf
http://zunguzungu.wordpress.com/2010/11 ... %E2%80%9D/

"Security gives way to conspiracy."

[frank grimes jr.]

The amount of information that he's threatening to leak is vastly different than the people you guys are comparing him to.

The fact is, doing one crime is just as illegal as doing twenty.
The question is, Is it illegal to publish a leaked government document?

If so, all groups who publish said document are guilty no matter how many of said documents they choose to publish.

Oh yeah, isn't he a rapist?

Nah, government cover up.

I'm not defending his character traits.
Still, he has the advantage just like all other humans, of being innocent until proven otherwise.

All my arguments are grounded by basic human rights, and are therefore INFALLIBLE.

[cosmic_surgeon]

if people are still on about the sexual assault charges, read this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wol ... 95899.html

Aside from the fact that calling him a rapist is a shameless ad hominem, how he's been treated is an absolute insult to women all over the world.

[64hz]

He's being released on bail.

Apparantly 'paper work' is holding up the process.
and the fact they have to count the bail money for sonme reason alot of it was in cash :S
I'll try find an article.

[64hz]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cr ... 61911.html

[frank grimes jr.]

if people are still on about the sexual assault charges, read this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wol ... 95899.html

Aside from the fact that calling him a rapist is a shameless ad hominem, how he's been treated is an absolute insult to women all over the world.

Excellent article.

[alphacat]

Report: Wikileaks leaker Bradley Manning subjected to "cruel and inhumane treatment" at Quantico brig

Glen Greenwald writes about the conditions under which 22-year-old Pfc. Bradley Manning, presumed to be the source of classified documents published by WikiLeaks, is being held at the Marine brig in Quantico, Virginia. He's been held there for 5 months, but has not yet been convicted of any crime. Greenwald interviewed "several people directly familiar with the conditions of Manning's detention, ultimately including a Quantico brig official (Lt. Brian Villiard)." He writes that Manning is being held "under conditions that constitute cruel and inhumane treatment and, by the standards of many nations, even torture," conditions "likely to create long-term psychological injuries."

Since his arrest in May, Manning has been a model detainee, without any episodes of violence or disciplinary problems. He nonetheless was declared from the start to be a "Maximum Custody Detainee," the highest and most repressive level of military detention, which then became the basis for the series of inhumane measures imposed on him.

From the beginning of his detention, Manning has been held in intensive solitary confinement. For 23 out of 24 hours every day -- for seven straight months and counting -- he sits completely alone in his cell. Even inside his cell, his activities are heavily restricted; he's barred even from exercising and is under constant surveillance to enforce those restrictions. For reasons that appear completely punitive, he's being denied many of the most basic attributes of civilized imprisonment, including even a pillow or sheets for his bed (he is not and never has been on suicide watch). For the one hour per day when he is freed from this isolation, he is barred from accessing any news or current events programs. Lt. Villiard protested that the conditions are not "like jail movies where someone gets thrown into the hole," but confirmed that he is in solitary confinement, isolated entirely alone in his cell except for the one hour per day he is taken out.

[jazzamataz]

Report: Wikileaks leaker Bradley Manning subjected to "cruel and inhumane treatment" at Quantico brig

Glen Greenwald writes about the conditions under which 22-year-old Pfc. Bradley Manning, presumed to be the source of classified documents published by WikiLeaks, is being held at the Marine brig in Quantico, Virginia. He's been held there for 5 months, but has not yet been convicted of any crime. Greenwald interviewed "several people directly familiar with the conditions of Manning's detention, ultimately including a Quantico brig official (Lt. Brian Villiard)." He writes that Manning is being held "under conditions that constitute cruel and inhumane treatment and, by the standards of many nations, even torture," conditions "likely to create long-term psychological injuries."

Since his arrest in May, Manning has been a model detainee, without any episodes of violence or disciplinary problems. He nonetheless was declared from the start to be a "Maximum Custody Detainee," the highest and most repressive level of military detention, which then became the basis for the series of inhumane measures imposed on him.

From the beginning of his detention, Manning has been held in intensive solitary confinement. For 23 out of 24 hours every day -- for seven straight months and counting -- he sits completely alone in his cell. Even inside his cell, his activities are heavily restricted; he's barred even from exercising and is under constant surveillance to enforce those restrictions. For reasons that appear completely punitive, he's being denied many of the most basic attributes of civilized imprisonment, including even a pillow or sheets for his bed (he is not and never has been on suicide watch). For the one hour per day when he is freed from this isolation, he is barred from accessing any news or current events programs. Lt. Villiard protested that the conditions are not "like jail movies where someone gets thrown into the hole," but confirmed that he is in solitary confinement, isolated entirely alone in his cell except for the one hour per day he is taken out.

Man... If someone had me like that I would scream about how much I'm going to
leak more shit when they finally let me go - every fucking day. Either that or stick
a bullet in me and cover it up for someone else to find. Fuck being detained for
anybody, least of all a corrupt as fuck gvt. I'd rather make a dash for it and get shot.

[cosmic_surgeon]

Thanks for that mate - it's important that Bradley Manning not be forgotten in all the hype surrounding Julian Assange.

our people are savages tbh. absolute savages.

[deadly_habit]

ucmj is very different than standard law and procedure for civilians

[adikt]

funny how people like aftee come in conversations like this, spew bullshit, get called out point by point on it & then disappear without actually responding to any points at all. if there is a response expect it to be an unsourced misinformed generalization that completely defies sourced facts already presented.

you know crappy businesses with a lot of complaints make fake posts on Yelp to make it seem like the real people who rated their business poorly dont know what they are talking about? lol...if i didnt live in the south, surrounded by these people, i'd be down with furthering that conspiracy lololol

[64hz]

heres a good article about the Bradley Manning situation:

Its amazing how almost nothing is heard about him.

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn ... 4/manning/

[AllNightDayDream]

Not much to hear, since i'm sure the evidence is overwhelming against him.

[hackman]

people still talkin aboot wikileaks?