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Re: 10 traits of conspiracy worship

Post by hackman » Fri Dec 24, 2010 9:31 pm

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danrev wrote: if I come across some proof that discredits that conspiracy theory then I acknowledge it, I dont work around it.
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Re: 10 traits of conspiracy worship

Post by adikt » Fri Dec 24, 2010 9:38 pm

-dubson- wrote:i'd agree with that generally, the original post is a bit of a obvious snipe though really. So many people have those traits its stupid to apply them to conspiracy theorists.
THIS.

i dont participate in conspiracy or political threads on this forum. too many children with their panties all wadded up & their fake gangsta masks. the What? forums are the only place ive been able to properly debate intelligent topics with both sides of the discussion acting fucking grown up.

Seckle...i have no previous beef with you but you seem to be applying a generalization(or ten of them) to an even more generalized group of people who you have personally had previous issues with. ive never read an interaction between you & hackman but myself being someone who questions the world around them to the point of my own logic & morals(just as most people who are not sheep...oh no, bad word i must be tossed in this generalization too hm?)...i see your average sheep saying these same things even when faced with something obvious & in no way conspiracy based(like DynCorps afghan child sex parties)...this list becomes a way out of facing reality, just as people like Alex Jones often find ways around reality(one i do think fits your description lol)...

there are relatively few people who fit this for the reasons you have stated.

its like saying muslims or islamics are terrorists. well fucking duh SOME OF THEM are...but some Americans are too ya know...

fucking DUH this fits SOME conspiracists...but it OF COURSE fits some on the other side of the isle too.

and thats something that while may be in your head you have failed to acknowldge. as you are a mod and in a position of power you should take that time for acknowledgement rather than make blanket statements that coooouuuuuld(but dont right?) apply very directly to your own agendas. again i dont know you, just my observations. but ya know, i'm obviously schtizo soooooo... :roll:
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Re: 10 traits of conspiracy worship

Post by noam » Fri Dec 24, 2010 9:54 pm

adikt wrote:
-dubson- wrote:i'd agree with that generally, the original post is a bit of a obvious snipe though really. So many people have those traits its stupid to apply them to conspiracy theorists.
THIS.

i dont participate in conspiracy or political threads on this forum. too many children with their panties all wadded up & their fake gangsta masks. the What? forums are the only place ive been able to properly debate intelligent topics with both sides of the discussion acting fucking grown up.

Seckle...i have no previous beef with you but you seem to be applying a generalization(or ten of them) to an even more generalized group of people who you have personally had previous issues with. ive never read an interaction between you & hackman but myself being someone who questions the world around them to the point of my own logic & morals(just as most people who are not sheep...oh no, bad word i must be tossed in this generalization too hm?)...i see your average sheep saying these same things even when faced with something obvious & in no way conspiracy based(like DynCorps afghan child sex parties)...this list becomes a way out of facing reality, just as people like Alex Jones often find ways around reality(one i do think fits your description lol)...

there are relatively few people who fit this for the reasons you have stated.

its like saying muslims or islamics are terrorists. well fucking duh SOME OF THEM are...but some Americans are too ya know...

fucking DUH this fits SOME conspiracists...but it OF COURSE fits some on the other side of the isle too.

and thats something that while may be in your head you have failed to acknowldge. as you are a mod and in a position of power you should take that time for acknowledgement rather than make blanket statements that coooouuuuuld(but dont right?) apply very directly to your own agendas. again i dont know you, just my observations. but ya know, i'm obviously schtizo soooooo... :roll:
what a dumb post.

with regards the OP it seems apparent that 'conspiracy theorists' will generally appear to have a lot of those qualites almost by default of their prior rejection of the official line.

this leads to arguments which make them seem to have a blinkered view. how-so? by rejecting the official line, conflicting with those who tow it, it seems almost tautologous that when confronted with the only form of refutation available to the official view (which naturally IS the official view) - the conspiracy theorists will automatically reject the argument.

hence it would take some spectacular piece of new evidence to convince either side and generally this is never produced and/or never accepted due to the reasons above (which are perhaps equally applicable to both sides).

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Re: 10 traits of conspiracy worship

Post by seckle » Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:01 pm

adikt wrote: Seckle...i have no previous beef with you but you seem to be applying a generalization(or ten of them) to an even more generalized group of people who you have personally had previous issues with.
i presented someone else's article. its a strong viewpoint, much of with i agree with completely. you speak of generalization as if I wrote the article. if you want to take it up with the writer, theres a link on the 1st pg of this thread where you can leave a comment to her directly.

do i agree that there's global conspiracies...of course i do. do i believe in the culture of global conspiracy, definitely not. it traps people in fear and gloom. instead of trying to find a solution to view the world, these people like to wall themselves in with mentally driven paranoia.

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Re: 10 traits of conspiracy worship

Post by crackf » Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:05 pm

seckle wrote:
adikt wrote: Seckle...i have no previous beef with you but you seem to be applying a generalization(or ten of them) to an even more generalized group of people who you have personally had previous issues with.
i presented someone else's article. its a strong viewpoint, much of with i agree with completely. you speak of generalization as if I wrote the article. if you want to take it up with the writer, theres a link on the 1st pg of this thread where you can leave a comment to her directly.

do i agree that there's global conspiracies...of course i do. do i believe in the culture of global conspiracy, definitely not. it traps people in fear and gloom. instead of trying to find a solution to view the world, these people like to wall themselves in with mentally driven paranoia.
do you agree that you fit alot of these categories?

or are you gonna avoid the question like most conspiracy theorists...
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Re: 10 traits of conspiracy worship

Post by adikt » Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:09 pm

im a bit confused why my post is dumb. im just saying these are generic traits of human beings but they seem to generalized to anyone who would believe something that someone else would consider a conspiracy. and i know this was a copied article...when i mentioned your name i obviously was referring to your defense of said article & your interaction with the others who dont agree with you on the whole. i mean that of course some conspirators are crazy. but some expose some very vital previously ignored information and to discount the lot is to discount both crazy & correct...


and personally i dont believe i fit into the list AS IT IS WORDED...but they are worded by someone who MAY take what i say or how i debate & put it into those categories against my intentions. thats my whole issue with how this topic is being approached. forgive me if i have misinterpreted your purpose
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Re: 10 traits of conspiracy worship

Post by crackf » Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:11 pm

adikt wrote:
edit: almost voided the question cus you posted it since i started typing lol...no, i dont believe i fit into them as HOW THEY ARE WORDED...but they are worded by someone who MAY take what i say & put it into those categories against my intentions. i guess thats a summary of my thoughts anyway lol

no no no was talkin to seckle
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Re: 10 traits of conspiracy worship

Post by adikt » Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:12 pm

lol slow down. edited cus i realized that -w-
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Re: 10 traits of conspiracy worship

Post by seckle » Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:13 pm

crackf wrote:
seckle wrote:
adikt wrote: Seckle...i have no previous beef with you but you seem to be applying a generalization(or ten of them) to an even more generalized group of people who you have personally had previous issues with.
i presented someone else's article. its a strong viewpoint, much of with i agree with completely. you speak of generalization as if I wrote the article. if you want to take it up with the writer, theres a link on the 1st pg of this thread where you can leave a comment to her directly.

do i agree that there's global conspiracies...of course i do. do i believe in the culture of global conspiracy, definitely not. it traps people in fear and gloom. instead of trying to find a solution to view the world, these people like to wall themselves in with mentally driven paranoia.
do you agree that you fit alot of these categories?

or are you gonna avoid the question like most conspiracy theorists...
yes and no. sure, you can apply a few of those questions to every person. i put faith in logic and science before everything else, so of course, this will be my POV. this thread isn't about good or bad, or black and white. its just presenting a context of behavior. traits of association.

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Re: 10 traits of conspiracy worship

Post by crackf » Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:14 pm

imo most of those things in the op are pretty bad, definately the signs of a poor debater
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Re: 10 traits of conspiracy worship

Post by HRKRT » Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:15 pm

this thread has got boring. why has everything got so personal?

i like discussing this stuff, but it descends so quickly on snh...

im a politics student.... but a lot of the time i look at a thread thats a few pages in and think whats the fucking point in posting
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Re: 10 traits of conspiracy worship

Post by nicenice » Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:15 pm

call me crass but seckle your such a tnuc id hate to know you. atleast alienpimp and bass hertz are fun.

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Re: 10 traits of conspiracy worship

Post by seckle » Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:17 pm

nicenice wrote:call me crass but seckle your such a tnuc id hate to know you. atleast alienpimp and bass hertz are fun.
if you need to go to insults to discuss things then enjoy your christmas.

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Re: 10 traits of conspiracy worship

Post by crackf » Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:19 pm

HRKRT wrote:this thread has got boring. why has everything got so personal?

i like discussing this stuff, but it descends so quickly on snh...

im a politics student.... but a lot of the time i look at a thread thats a few pages in and think whats the fucking point in posting
its not that i disagree with the things put across in op, most of the people who have told me conspiracy theories fit these criteria when talking about their agenda,

i was highlighting seckle because i was surprised that he was the one to post it, seeming as the stuff in op seems like an attack almost on conspiracy theorists, but fit alot of his arguements well
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Re: 10 traits of conspiracy worship

Post by nicenice » Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:19 pm

you don't discuss. you just change the subject. my christmas is going to be shit anyway so might as well make the most of it.

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Re: 10 traits of conspiracy worship

Post by adikt » Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:20 pm

crackf wrote:imo most of those things in the op are pretty bad, definately the signs of a poor debater
exactly. signs of a poor debater, but in no way indicative as to whether or not the poor debater is based in reality(evidence alters view) or an imagined world where all evidence plays into their own theories therefore exactly the problem, right? it is on a person by person basis. generalizations never help. thats all im sayin.
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Re: 10 traits of conspiracy worship

Post by seckle » Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:22 pm

crackf wrote:
HRKRT wrote:this thread has got boring. why has everything got so personal?

i like discussing this stuff, but it descends so quickly on snh...

im a politics student.... but a lot of the time i look at a thread thats a few pages in and think whats the fucking point in posting
its not that i disagree with the things put across in op, most of the people who have told me conspiracy theories fit these criteria when talking about their agenda,

i was highlighting seckle because i was surprised that he was the one to post it, seeming as the stuff in op seems like an attack almost on conspiracy theorists, but fit alot of his arguements well
what are my arguments?

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Re: 10 traits of conspiracy worship

Post by crackf » Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:23 pm

my first memory of seckle on snh:

i was reasonably new on this forum, and posted in that troll thread about return to space, to say how much i loved the new album

then he picked me out of everyone posting in the thread an had a big old go at me, claiming hed had enough of my shit, and whenever i questioned simply said you know what im talking about, and that i needed to get banned

no i didnt know what he was talking about, and still dont
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Re: 10 traits of conspiracy worship

Post by crackf » Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:24 pm

you were also adamant for a long while that nicenice and me were the same person
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Re: 10 traits of conspiracy worship

Post by adikt » Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:26 pm

sounds like a conspiracy lol
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