From Techno to Dubstep

[jim]

No, it's actually from relatively well off folk from Bellevue.

[4linehaiku]

i hear tracks with massive, dominating, sweeping synthlines and you'll find them in the minimal techno section

I have heard this stuff refered to as 'big room minimal', which in my mind sums up this switch from minimal as aesthetic to minimal as scene.

Wrong. Minimal Nation came out in '94, almost 10 years after the birth of techno. Don't try and tell us that the Belleville Three made minimal, they made techno. Minimal is just a strain that for some reason almost engulfed the entire scene.

This is true, but the 'techno' the Belleville Three were making was still minimal in the general sense of the word. It should also be pointed out that Minimal Nation sounds a lot more like the stuff they made than it does like the stuff being classified as minimal now. Not sure what my point is with that exactly. To what extent is it valid to refer to a coherent minimal movement running from Rob Hood / Plastikman / ø through to what is termed minimal now? No idea really. My techno knowledge is limited. I reckon not much.

I was being slightly contrary, but this massive minimal backlash going on really annoys me. Surely people by now realise that this sort of saturation has happened again and again and blaming the demise of a genre on is retarded.

techno is street music

it came from the detroit ghettos

Nope. Middle class represent.

[martyn]

warghl he just means the genre MINIMAL TECHNO, with all its super glitchy
short enveloped sounds - its funny btw that a lot of what is described as
minimal techno is not so minimal at all - 's pretty damn hectic if u ask me!!
and yes i do agree that since M_NUS and everything after that a lot of
straight up techno producers went deeper into minimal techno, sometimes
succesfully and sometimes not.

[brooksy]

who cares...like what you like - dubstep will grow, evolve and splinter like all sub-genres - the good will always be good, there will just be variety...look at the jungle/d&b scene, or techno for that matter....it split into all sorts of sub-genres but theres still rockin shit being made. I'm down for whatever...I love techno and am all for some heading that way...thats just me, there will be plenty of heads who stick to the 2-step garage flavors or the dub...so don't sweat it......lets just have a group hug and get on with it.

[parson]

ah i didn't know they was middle class

[selector.dub.u]

lol this thread has devolved into an argument about the socioeconomic class of Detroit techno producers

[jim]

There's no argument

[selector.dub.u]

There's no argument

my point is that ths thread has gone pretty far afield from the original point of the thread.

I have no idea where you are from jim but you may already know this-
just because someone lives in a suburb of a major city in the US that does not mean they are necessarily middle class.

[jim]

But being from Bellevue does mean you're not from Detroit's ghettoes.

[jim]

To go back to the original point of the thread

I was probably more into minimal than dubstep when I first started getting into the latter. Now dubstep is probably beating minimal a bit, for me. I think it's great music and it's in a reasonably peachy period at the moment. For example, Kompakt isn't exactly firing on all cylinders right now compared to the last few years. but it has still brought out the Gui Boratto and the Field albums which are both really worth a listen. M_nus can be a bit boring but they still brought out Bay of figs. Americans doing big things (Spectral!) and Chile's favourite son is my favourite musician of any description.

[deville]

But being from Bellevue does mean you're not from Detroit's ghettoes.

I hate myself for even contributing to this thread but surely it is Belleville, as in the 'Belleville Three'. I think using any concept of 'middle class' to describe a country that doesn't have a class system must be a bad idea. I know where you are coming from but I'm not a fan of generalisation, and also: it doesn't matter what 'class' they are. One of the best things about dubstep is that people from all 'classes', races and backgrounds exist happily and creatively together. rant over.
dV

[elgato]

this thing always turns into a class thing

the techno ethos, as far as im aware, has always been about open minds and open parties - whoever wants in. i love that idea, and hate the idea you see banging about that middle class interest/involvement somehow undermines integrity/value. and i hate that techno and house are dismissed so regularly as geeky or whatever. someone should tell Mad Mike that he lacks the necessary grounding in urban living to make valid music i think

i hate people using the class of a musician as the starting point for judgement - we can make strong arguments that often the best art comes from those who have experienced hardship or negativity, but you'd be narrow-minded to think that thats the preserve of the impoverished. and to turn that argument into an attitude that imposes class as some kind of validation gateway, to be passed before a person's expression can even be considered as relevant or exciting, is stupid

[ozols man]

But being from Bellevue does mean you're not from Detroit's ghettoes.

One of the best things about dubstep is that people from all 'classes', races and backgrounds exist happily and creatively together. rant over.
dV

Do they? (cue twilight zone music)

[dushume]

i dont know why social class has to come into music, anyways i have started dabbling in indian dubstep inspired by techno sounding well different.

[djshiva]

But being from Bellevue does mean you're not from Detroit's ghettoes.

I hate myself for even contributing to this thread but surely it is Belleville, as in the 'Belleville Three'. I think using any concept of 'middle class' to describe a country that doesn't have a class system must be a bad idea. I know where you are coming from but I'm not a fan of generalisation, and also: it doesn't matter what 'class' they are. One of the best things about dubstep is that people from all 'classes', races and backgrounds exist happily and creatively together. rant over.
dV

uhhh...saying the US does not have a class system is definitely off the plot. you ever BEEN to detroit? seriously. the US is suffering from its biggest wage gap in history between the uber rich and the super poor. if you think that does not feed into a class system, then we are talking about some imaginary country where dubstep also cures cancer.

i know i am digressing, but i can't stand rose-colored glasses, yay-rah, music unites us all pap when the reality of life is so VERY VERY not so cumbayah.

and as far as class not being an issue with how the music sounds...well...again...one would have to know detroit to understand the utter despair that surrounds that city. there is definitely hope and great music and art being made, but if you think looking around at a skeletonized city didn't affect the music they made...*shrug*

now on the flip side, i was just having the conversation that some of my favorite techno people (who shall remain nameless) have really been boring the shit out of me with their music lately. and i postulated that making 5 figures off of every gig tends to soften them up a bit. they're not "hungry" (both in the physical and metaphysical sense) anymore, and personally (and this is just one person's opinion mind you), i think their music has suffered for it. now it's nifty-sounding, but otherwise empty-feeling electronic noodling. i know people will disagree, and that's fine. it is still my opinion, so keep in mind i am not trying to start a debate.

ok, sorry for my little breakdown...back to topic...or are we?

addendum: for the record, i find conversations like this (about class and techno and music and how it affects the music) to be far more interesting than "ohmygosh this new record made my dog self-actualize!" or "how do i make the bass wobble left instead of right?". i mean, there is space for all, but i find philosophical/sociological/totally pretentious intellectual discussions fairly fascinating. if you feel the same, cool...we should chat. if you think i am a pretentious twat...well, that just can't be helped...

[sick boy]

techno is street music

it came from the detroit ghettos

Ok, it might have come from there, but you might want to tell it to come back home because right now it's hanging out in clubs with 30+ year old GHB-dropping nerds.

[sick boy]

edit: double post

[djshiva]

techno is street music

it came from the detroit ghettos

Ok, it might have come from there, but you might want to tell it to come back home because right now it's hanging out in clubs with 30+ year old GHB-dropping nerds.

ROTFL

[shards]

..... anyways i have started dabbling in indian dubstep inspired by techno sounding well different.

Wicked! Wanna hear some of that

[ozols man]

its all about bass with latino type rythms... remember u heard it here first