maryann3333 - "Burial - Thief"

[golddigger]

the video just got deleted.

the last time i visited there was another statement and a dialogue between hyperdub and maryann3333. i didn't copy the text, so it's lost forever i guess. as far as i remember he was going on about the developement of underground music. pretty interesting stuff. he was seriously somebody who had something to say.

but anyways, it's not the best thing to spread a message by claiming to be somebody else. clever move, but not very honest.

[tacho]

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i wanted to create a viral thing, a pirate thing. my thoughts were about how people are tricked by media day to day and how advertising does it, too. i really don't like forums, magazines and all thoose bubbles creating wrong attention on wrong things like it happend in this case.

music and also underground music became such a nasty business. no one ever cared about the who-is-who. no one cared about any producer. we listened to tunes. media started spotting the scene. more and more journalists were writing about producers, tunes and albums. what for? - profit.

there are so many tunes out there, which just sound like fullfilling the plastic consumer needs our society creates.
my ambition to do this action was to post this statement.

there are a lot of ways to publish music. - creative commons liscences, no rights reserved, copyleft music...

of course i am NOT burial.

i swear that i won't use this as a promotion trick for my own music. i'm an audio amateur who started making music in 2006. at least burials music made me starting.




hyperdubrecords

Re: Re: burial - thief

"I don't care about dubstep or marketing or what other people do.

As far as I am concerned everyone can do what they like, as long as it has consent and thought.

Every artist on hyperdub can think for themselves and the purpose of the label is to support them in what they do and try and help them get an audience for what they do, as their music is great and very honest and it deserves to be popular.

That means that I try and work my hardest to support them, as i'm the only person employed by Hyperdub and i do all I can as i believe in them, which is a crazy thing to do, when everyone thinks music is free now, but i still do.

For me it's a good thing when strange/ honest / emotional/ abstract / dark/ minority music like ours can reach a larger audience as this means we are beating all the other crap music out there and there is some hope for the world.

(...)

whats that zen proverb 'do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the masters, seek what they sought' - you get my meaning.
(...)

you've picked an artist who's only done a handful of interviews ever because he wants his music to speak for itself,
other artists on the label want to be pushed in different ways because they are different animals and want different things. It's as simple as that there is no conspiracy i'm afraid."




maryann3333

Re: Re: Re: burial - thief

"you got me wrong in some points.

i didn't want to make a charge against kode 9, or hyperdub, or burial. - i wanted to make a charge against the scene, the forums the journalists, the sun who was struggling so hard to get the answer to the question "who the fuck is burial"... and so on.

pretending to be burial was a move to get the attention of thoose who i wanted to receive this message... a creepy, dirty, nasty, unholy move. - but it had to be exactly in this form to make a sense. i did what i condemn.

i have some problems with the so called underground. - you know, this is roughly what i mean. some years ago there was such a big hype to be "underground", that the original attitude of it got perverted. - and the same effect happend in burials case. - many other labels acted like this (being underground, anonym, dark, hidden......) after first burial things were released. the latest discussions about new burial stuff followed the same setup.
i never doubted, that it was a real thing and not a promotion strategy in burials and hyperdubs case. - but some of the listeners and also other artists thought exactly this and were pissed off. - it was to weird for them. their only explanation for the phenomenon was that it is promotion.

so this was not against you.
i showed how easy it is to generate attention in this specific way. and that's really dangerous. do you get, what i mean?

- what i think about is, that all of us musicians, labelowners and promoters have to think in new dimensions. - we need to spread strange/ honest/ emotional/ abstract/ dark/ minority music like ours in other ways. not in a business way. the expectation money and fame corrupts artist as force does with politicians.

to make new concepts could connote more credibility. try to back up young talents with more than labelwork maybe...?
there is some usefull support out there, but then most times sponsors or some other dickheads show off and try to exploit it. like in the case of r... b... music academy...

"do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the masters, seek what they sought" - that really reaches me. and in case of my musical productions i will do that.

i thank you for answering. if what i tryed to say achieves something, i would be fullfilled."

chapter closed.

[huh]

wtf???

[verso]

this is jokes

[Devry_Kaneda]

Hey guys -

Sorry for not responding to any of your guy's pms.....

I got lazy and never did get around to re-upping the WAV
http://www.mediafire.com/?m1p3194f48cybj1

Here it is, in all it's fake glory

Enjoy, and again, apologies.

[joeki]

so I downloaded this wav and I still have to say : massively overrated material.
It needs mastering for one. The lower ends are all screwed up to the extent that it becomes annoying. The drum patterns are forced and the sampled crackle/echo is meant to sound like Burial, which is good, but the quality of the samples used lacks crispness. So when you're comparing to Burial, this sounds forced again. From minute one you can hear this is an attempt to copy Burial, but nothing more than that. Which I suppose was the intention of the creator.

It has some good bits going for it. I really like the melody but the low end is just overpowering everything. It's so undefined. It's almost like drone doom. Except for this is is supposed to be a subtle track with ambient parts in the higher ends. So it just wont work.
It's a fair attempt at making a deep tune, but I don't find it particularly appealing myself. Because it is an attempt at copying, it completely lacks direction.


High and mighty enough for you?

[therapist]

so I downloaded this wav and I still have to say : massively overrated material.
It needs mastering for one. The lower ends are all screwed up to the extent that it becomes annoying. The drum patterns are forced and the sampled crackle/echo is meant to sound like Burial, which is good, but the quality of the samples used lacks crispness. So when you're comparing to Burial, this sounds forced again. From minute one you can hear this is an attempt to copy Burial, but nothing more than that. Which I suppose was the intention of the creator.

It has some good bits going for it. I really like the melody but the low end is just overpowering everything. It's so undefined. It's almost like drone doom. Except for this is is supposed to be a subtle track with ambient parts in the higher ends. So it just wont work.
It's a fair attempt at making a deep tune, but I don't find it particularly appealing myself. Because it is an attempt at copying, it completely lacks direction.


High and mighty enough for you?

Quite. People would probably list all those points as good things if they found out it actually was Burial.

[joeki]

I disagree. Especially the lower end of the music is much more controlled in Burials production. Lower ends are used with purpose and are generally defined to a great extent.
If Burial used such sloppy low ends, I would be the first to criticise (again I know it's easy to say things like this now. But if you check the first topic on this track, that somehow got overlooked and replaced by this one, you can see that I immediately called fake on this one).
Mastering : Burial's tracks, though perhaps not perfect in their construction (which is hard to achieve if they really were produced with soundforge) are mastered. And they are mastered by a genius. The infinite layers of samples are again well defined, and no sloppy mess that flows together like is the case with this tune.

Lastly, Burial tracks generally have some sense of direction and a general vibe which makes you want to continue listening, adding elements, detracting stuff, inserting pauses etc. I find little of that in this track.


Again, melody wise, this producer has pretty much nailed it though. I wish he just had mastered it. Which would have improved the track massively.

[verso]

just listened to this now.. get off your high chair and give this bloke some credit, its a fucking beautiful tune, low ends arnt perfect but all things considered i wouldn't have questioned it being a new burial bit if i was listening to it on youtube..

[huh]

i wouldn't have questioned it being a new burial bit if i was listening to it on youtube..

does anybody know who is this bloke?

[Still Chill]

good stuff

[golddigger]

I got lazy and never did get around to re-upping the WAV
http://www.mediafire.com/?m1p3194f48cybj1

thanks a lot. now

[luthervandub]

yeah cheers for the re-up