Arizona Congresswoman shot in Tuscon

[Ayatollah]

He was referring to the picture of Giffords with the gun

yup

e: more accurately, referring to the comments made with the picture

[pkay]

http://www.publicintegrity.org/articles/entry/2815/

Two years before the Tucson massacre, the Department of Homeland Security warned in a report that right wing extremism was on the rise and could prompt "lone wolves" to launch attacks. But the agency backed away from the report amid intense criticism from Republicans, including future House Speaker John Boehner.

The report, which warned that the crippled economy and the election of the first black president were “unique drivers for rightwing radicalization and recruitment,” described the rise of “lone wolves and small terrorist cells embracing violent rightwing extremist ideology [as] the most dangerous domestic terrorism threat in the United States.”

This guy wasn't an extremist cell. He was a guy who was removed from his school and not allowed to return because he was mentally ill. The dudes youtube rambling are literally gibberish and likely the posterchild for being batshit crazy. He wasn't radicalized, wasn't recruited, he was mentally ill, diagnosed as such, and for the most part ignored by those closest to him. This shooting had literally nothing to do with anything other than a crazy person going crazy. Anything pointing to the contrary, from either side of the isle, is sickening politics at its worse. Rich white people capitalizing on a tragedy to try and get their headline in the paper.

At a certain point as an adult you have to be able to set aside political views and realize when something has absolutely zero political implications. This dude was sick and hell bent on his warped dilusions.

[dubmatters]

http://www.publicintegrity.org/articles/entry/2815/

Two years before the Tucson massacre, the Department of Homeland Security warned in a report that right wing extremism was on the rise and could prompt "lone wolves" to launch attacks. But the agency backed away from the report amid intense criticism from Republicans, including future House Speaker John Boehner.

The report, which warned that the crippled economy and the election of the first black president were “unique drivers for rightwing radicalization and recruitment,” described the rise of “lone wolves and small terrorist cells embracing violent rightwing extremist ideology [as] the most dangerous domestic terrorism threat in the United States.”

This guy wasn't an extremist cell. He was a guy who was removed from his school and not allowed to return because he was mentally ill. The dudes youtube rambling are literally gibberish and likely the posterchild for being batshit crazy. He wasn't radicalized, wasn't recruited, he was mentally ill, diagnosed as such, and for the most part ignored by those closest to him. This shooting had literally nothing to do with anything other than a crazy person going crazy. Anything pointing to the contrary, from either side of the isle, is sickening politics at its worse. Rich white people capitalizing on a tragedy to try and get their headline in the paper.

At a certain point as an adult you have to be able to set aside political views and realize when something has absolutely zero political implications. This dude was sick and hell bent on his warped dilusions.

There's no doubt that he was just another nutjob hell bent on destruction. I have no political views or agenda, I just found the articles I linked interesting and vaguely relevant.

[dubmatters]

off topic but..

How America's elite hijacked a massacre to take revenge on Sarah Palin

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... Palin.html

Poll: Most Americans Feel Rhetoric, Tucson Shooting Unrelated

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162- ... tag=exclsv

[fuagofire]

definitely. the usa does however have the highest amounts of death by firearms though in the world bar none. something like 12000 deaths per year.

I'm pretty sure Brazil comes above the US.

[AllNightDayDream]

http://www.publicintegrity.org/articles/entry/2815/

Two years before the Tucson massacre, the Department of Homeland Security warned in a report that right wing extremism was on the rise and could prompt "lone wolves" to launch attacks. But the agency backed away from the report amid intense criticism from Republicans, including future House Speaker John Boehner.

The report, which warned that the crippled economy and the election of the first black president were “unique drivers for rightwing radicalization and recruitment,” described the rise of “lone wolves and small terrorist cells embracing violent rightwing extremist ideology [as] the most dangerous domestic terrorism threat in the United States.”

This guy wasn't an extremist cell. He was a guy who was removed from his school and not allowed to return because he was mentally ill. The dudes youtube rambling are literally gibberish and likely the posterchild for being batshit crazy. He wasn't radicalized, wasn't recruited, he was mentally ill, diagnosed as such, and for the most part ignored by those closest to him. This shooting had literally nothing to do with anything other than a crazy person going crazy. Anything pointing to the contrary, from either side of the isle, is sickening politics at its worse. Rich white people capitalizing on a tragedy to try and get their headline in the paper.

At a certain point as an adult you have to be able to set aside political views and realize when something has absolutely zero political implications. This dude was sick and hell bent on his warped dilusions.

Really? How can this not be political? It was an attempted assassination for chrissakes... This whole incident was something brewing in his mind for 3 years after he attended one of her political events. You look at his youtube videos and he mentions he's angry about our currency not being backed by gold or silver. He's got the communist manifesto, mein kampf, and the republic in his reading list. He's obviously very anti-government. To chalk this up to pure lunacy is a sad dismissal of the reality that we need to learn something from this, because no man is an island and whatever kind of environment his mind was in led him to this despicable act.

The thinly-veiled militant rhetoric you hear on all sides create an atmosphere of irrational paranoia and hate that can go in all kinds of directions. Still, it's way too early to place any concrete blame anywhere, we haven't heard any of the shooter's testimony yet. Even if the shooter doesn't subscribe to certain political flavors (which I highly doubt), the level of fear-mongering and political angst in this country needs to tone down. Yes, that means we should stop using crosshairs on political websites, violent imagery, gun metaphors, etc. As much as I dislike the guy, I think Olbermann's bit on this was fantastic.

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And I also think it's unfair to say it's even across the political spectrum. Like someone pointed out earlier, where in the left-leaning media do you hear shit akin to beck's visual depiction of michael moore's death? If you tell people the government has death panels that arbitrarily put people to death, someone with a few screws loose could easily buy too far into the concept and commit something tragic, with their fucking "2nd amendment remedies". That kind of shit comes from fox news, which is the LARGEST televised news station in the country! Everyone needs to be humble about this, but certain figures on the right in particular need to just own up and apologize for creating such a violent discourse in our politics.

[pkay]

You're attempting to say someone who is certifiably insane is capable of comprehending politics which is false. He was acting on acting on figments of his imagination. By your logic there are really hidden messages saying kill yourself if you play the beatles albums backwards and shit like that.

[AllNightDayDream]

You're attempting to say someone who is certifiably insane is capable of comprehending politics which is false. He was acting on acting on figments of his imagination. By your logic there are really hidden messages saying kill yourself if you play the beatles albums backwards and shit like that.

How you get that I have no clue. That makes zero sense. Plenty of people who aren't insane can't comprehend politics, but that's not gonna stop them from trying.

[collige]

If it was political, he wouldn't have shot a child. Maybe HE thought it was political, but he was also insane.

[pkay]

you're saying an insane person not only understood the political structure of our country, he evaluated the opinions, pro's, cons, chose to follow one set of ideals and became so infuriated with the opposition that he consciously decided to walk into a crowd and murder people.

That is pretty far fucking fetched.

More likely scenario is a crazy person took bits and pieces of random shit hes heard dwelled on whatever portion struck a nerve with his crazy little head and when the dillusion became so wild he decided to do an irrational act.

[Sirius]

who gives a fuk, the US is fukd politically.

If ya don't think that this is politically motivated... your blind!

not saying he was left or right, but he was pissed at the rulers & the way they used words to rule!

its not like he just walked into a crowd & started shooting...
he went to a political gathering & did it.

it has US written all ova it... SHOCK & AWE!!

!!chea

[MikeE]

if it was political he was a lefty.... tea partiers dont count mein kampf and the communist manifesto as their fave books..


... just sayin

[AllNightDayDream]

He also read ayn rand, so... that and from the whole currency thing i'd guess he was more libertarian. But I mean who knows

[Ayatollah]

if it was political he was a lefty.... tea partiers dont count mein kampf and the communist manifesto as their fave books..


... just sayin

and "leftys" don't count mein kampf as their favourite...

[MikeE]

if it was political he was a lefty.... tea partiers dont count mein kampf and the communist manifesto as their fave books..


... just sayin

and "leftys" don't count mein kampf as their favourite...

the izan's were left wing authoritarians on anyones political compass... "national socialist workers party" anyone...

[stappard]

if it was political he was a lefty.... tea partiers dont count mein kampf and the communist manifesto as their fave books..


... just sayin

and "leftys" don't count mein kampf as their favourite...

the izan's were left wing authoritarians on anyones political compass... "national socialist workers party" anyone...

On mine they were on the far right. Actually on everyone's they were on the far right.

[badger]

the izan's were left wing authoritarians on anyones political compass... "national socialist workers party" anyone...

what?

if someone decided to name a dog a cat would you just accept it at face value? the sizan ended up about as far from socialist (or democratic) as you can get

[hugh]

Forgive me If I'm wrong as it has been several years since studying the rise of Hitler, but I am actually pretty sure Mein Kampf did have some strong left wing connotations, and I'm pretty sure Hitler had some really left wing idealistics when he was younger. I can't really remember any of it in detail but there was a definite point where he became far less socially orientated and more right wing.

[dubmatters]

Arizona Shootings Trigger Surge in Glock Sales Amid Fear of Ban

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-0 ... f-ban.html

Sales Jump

One-day sales of handguns in Arizona jumped 60 percent to 263 on Jan. 10 compared with 164 the corresponding Monday a year ago, the second-biggest increase of any state in the country, according to Federal Bureau of Investigation data.

Handgun sales rose 65 percent to 395 in Ohio; 16 percent to 672 in California; 38 percent to 348 in Illinois; and 33 percent to 206 in New York, the FBI data show. Sales increased nationally about 5 percent, to 7,906 guns.

I'm sure more guns are going to help!