Anybody else get pissed off at people that only dj?

[deadly_habit]

fun with buds

[Rubik]

Not really but I get tired of some of the motives behind some people who want to spin (ie it's cool or it's easy to try and get a gig and pretend you're famous after a few months in this city) but even then that's not their fault that society loves it. I do know a lot of people with expensive decks and mixers that have only been used once or twice though.
So I guess I'm fairly cynical on the matter

[CBK81]

Beatmatching isn't hard, but djing is a talent. There is a bit of showmanship involved as well I think. The more you are into your set, the more the crowd will be as well.

[VirtualMark]

1> You might be able to learn the concept of beatmatching in a weekend, but i find it highly unlikely you completely mastered complex, fader riding mixes in 2 days, you probably learned to mix 143 into 140 or w/e, but throwing down a set of classic hiphop into non-electronic funk (roy ayers, idris muhammed, funk factory, ect.), and keeping the shit locked, your a prodigy if you learned big boy djing overnight like that. Remember it goes way deeper then dubstep dude.

And i know guys whove been spinning edm AMAZINGLY for years who wouldnt even wanna try to juggle and keep it interesting, much less break out the blind alley routine.

Yeah theres obviously skill to doing something like that... but the thing is, who wants to listen to it?? I know a lad round here who does enters dmc and i've heard him play locally a few times. The thing is, while he has a lot of skill, it gets boring very quickly! I just like to listen to a track, not listen to scratching and juggling every two seconds.

And i don't think the op was referring to this sort of djing anyhow, more to the sort that just fade from one track to the next. Which anyone can do with a copy of virtual dj these days, also theres more help in the form of mixed in key which will let you know what key your tracks are in!

And i also think the op was referring to dj's that make a name by playing the best of other peoples work, rather than producing music themselves.

[FluidMoShun]

No. The more djs who play your tracks, the more exposure/fans you get. There are specific djs that piss me off, but not the idea of being one

[essarai]

for the moment I don't produce or dj well enough to give the view point of either BUT... as an educated man I'd like to offer this...

people who only DJ play the tracks that some only Producers make.
Without the mass of 'only djs' how many 'producer / djs' would focus on playing THEIR tunes? Probably quite a few, regardless if you play others music you will try to self promote (refer to EVERYONE's signatures featuring soundcloud).
If everyone took the same stance on being a 'producer / dj' we'd lose some of the objectivity that the 'just a dj' brings to the field, the selector... \

stick to criticizing yourself. let others prevail in their own right or drown in their own mediocrity.

[eldoogle]

Im not mad about this dj or producing stuff, but what does irk me is when a DJ is opening for a big name and CAN'T BEATMATCH!!!

When Rusko came to Seattle a few months ago two djs did a tag team set and there was no excuse, they had headphones and the crowd was booing, they were doing the play and switch over real fast sort of thing. Deep music too, not 'brostep' so I found it odd.

I wish I had vinyl decks to learn juggling.

[andregmp]

i see where you're coming from. it's not that i get pissed off, specifically, at it, but it bothers me, because sadly but very true, it takes little to no effort nowadays to DJ.

now hear me out before anyone starts to flame me. at least here in edmonton, ab where i live in, to get a gig somewhere, it's more about how many people you can bring out on your night, and how much money the bar makes, to hold that spot or get a residency. i have seen plenty of times, on a friday or saturday night, the busiest club nights, a "DJ" mixing with traktor and a controller, or a little mixdeck kind of thing, but he has well over 1000-, 2000- friends on facebook even, and promotes the shit out of himself (or herself, in some cases...)

now obviously there are clubs that still thankfully understand what good music is all about, and if you'd like to play there, you have to know how to beatmatch and ultimately put on a good show. with the invention of cdj and "TAP" buttons and all the sort, it gave any joe schmo the ability to "DJ", such as DJ Pauly D, for those of you that have heard of him. (not worth a international tour, if you ask me??)

unfortunately many dj's nowadays practice their "art" for many reasons which i don't typically agree with. but to each their own i guess, and i guess we all gotta do what we can to stay alive. to those that mix for the love of the music, and do so with passion and skill, all the props in the world!

[gwa]

heh peep temper d for some 3 deck skills

once saw him do a 4 deck set!

this thread is lol worthy.

[Dystinkt]

Doesnt irritate me particularly, i get more annoyed at someone who isnt talented being preferred over others who are far better, for example the situation in andregmps post eariler, that kind of thing annoys me.

[corpu5]

haha why should someone produce if they dj?

[Sharmaji]

seen this up for a couple of days and tbh, i simply don't understand the Q. People get mad at MAH because she doesn't produce? really? that's exceedingly lame.

to get a gig somewhere, it's more about how many people you can bring out on your night, and how much money the bar makes, to hold that spot or get a residency

For better or worse, that's how it works amigo. Everyone needs to eat. If yr not getting the support you'd like otherwise, start a small night by yourself. Eat the costs, do it for free at times, promote the hell out of it, make it your baby, and see how it works.

I'll be in Edmonton on the 29th-- it's a blast playing in western Canada.

[th@-pu$$y]

[Mad_EP]

Only in a genre that is almost already pre-matched for the DJ, would someone say that DJ'ing takes little to no talent. I have no doubt the OP learned to beatmatch dubstep in one weekend. There was only a 95% chance he didn't even need to use the pitchshift.

But as everyone else has said - try beatmatching other genres (hiphop, techno, dnb, etc). THEN try beatmatching cross-genres, plus throwing in non-locked tracks (ie old funk tracks, etc)...
Also - when you say you learned in one weekend, does that mean you can successfully mix a track here and there ? Or can you do a full 1-2 hour set, with proper builds, have a great, yet unique flow... and not have a single hiccup?



As Pete Bubonic said, this is one of the classic hates. Another one of my faves is the "Pop music is so trash, anyone can do it". Um, not really. WAY more people would "sell out" if it were that simple.

[RmoniK]

i actually find mixing dubstep and dnb much harder than other music genres, because they have tempos that are a bit "off", and even if you beatmatch it correctly, it could be that it sounds wrong.

[Sharmaji]

"Pop music is so trash, anyone can do it". Um, not really. WAY more people would "sell out" if it were that simple.

yeah exactly-- if Max Martin & Dr. Luke music & business were so easy to copy, we'd all be driving ferrari's.

as far as dj'ing goes, beatmatching is 1 thing... keeping a room full of people going for 8 hours, creating that space, building it up and taking it down is a different story. It's like saying a baby who just learned to walk is now ready for the triathlon. There's a couple of important steps inbetween the 2.

[primsound]

i find dj'ing alot harder than producing, i suppose it's about different pressures.

if you think you have all day (and night) to work on a tune you are making, where as a dj gets one attempt at his mix, within a time frame and under a lot more pressure. i can beatmatch (not very well) and have a decent ear and idea of tune selection but i'd never have the confidence to get up on a stage and do a set. i have loads of respect for people that do, it's a tough job!

my brother has decks and i found mixing a few tracks with some mates over hard enough!

to say there is no skill in it is just idiotic.

[Basic A]

why bust your ass to get good enough to bang out a tune you made thats decent when you can grab fluxs or 16bits remix and look like the man when you drop it to the general population who think production and djing is the same thing?

Stop assuming this is what every DJ under the sun does. This is a dubstep only phenomenon, where you can slide by beatmatching same bpm tunes and become a rockstar DJ. Outside of dubstep, we expect alot more.

i actually find mixing dubstep and dnb much harder than other music genres, because they have tempos that are a bit "off", and even if you beatmatch it correctly, it could be that it sounds wrong.

Rewind to where everythings not quantized. And if its so easy, whyd you make it seem like pie a minute ago?

[RmoniK]

Rewind to where everythings not quantized. And if its so easy, whyd you make it seem like pie a minute ago?

i (and the TS for that matter) never said it was easy, we said beatmatching is easy. Some of you really have to learn to read properly before throwing in hate comments.

[abZ]

Rewind to where everythings not quantized. And if its so easy, whyd you make it seem like pie a minute ago?

i (and the TS for that matter) never said it was easy, we said beatmatching is easy. Some of you really have to learn to read properly before throwing in hate comments.

Then why isn't the thread called "Anybody else get pissed off at people that only beatmatch"?

Beatmatching isn't actually as easy is people bang on about on the intraweb. You may learn how to do it in a weekend up to get to the point of proficiency takes time. I have been djing for 15 years and I still slip up sometimes.