"Heavy" or "Deep dubstep"

jaydot · Post by **jaydot** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:34 pm

What is harder to produce?

In my opinion they're as hard as each other to produce. You have to convey emotion in a "deeper" track, whereas there's a lot of bass processing and whatnot going on in the heavier tracks. Thoughts?

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:37 pm

aking a good tune period is difficult
cliche paint by number tunes or copycat ones aren't

how many people can say they have a sound of their own or have people say i can recognize your tunes or sound without seeing the artist name etc
that's what you should aim for

JemGrover · Post by **JemGrover** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:38 pm

Eee, this is going to get messy...

Ongelegen · Post by **Ongelegen** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:39 pm

deadly habit wrote:how many people can say they have a sound of their own or have people say i can recognize your tunes or sound without seeing the artist name etc
that's what you should aim for

jaydot · Post by **jaydot** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:40 pm

JemGrover wrote:Eee, this is going to get messy...

Why? Everytime I see you post on here it's to flame someone's thread, just answer the goddamn question, it's a perfectly legitimate question intended to spark debate, what's wrong with you?

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:41 pm

well now that i've played the moderate card disclaimer
look at the shelf life on the stuff you'd call deep or heavy, vs the dancefloor oriented or bro stuff
same can apply to any genre, you don't hear too many dance oriented stuff being regarded as timeless or popping up in mixes after a few months

-[2]DAY_- · Post by **-[2]DAY_-** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:41 pm

to do a good job at either, you need to convey emotion and process bass. Just different emotions and different sounds.

Writing jazz is easier for Chick Corea than for John Petrucci, and Petrucci is better at metal. Neither is easier or harder

jaydot · Post by **jaydot** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:43 pm

deadly habit wrote: same can apply to any genre, you don't hear too many dance oriented stuff being regarded as timeless or popping up in mixes after a few months

Very true, but I'd say rhat what with everything getting remixed these days a group of "fans" somewhere will regard one song as classic. Still, Id say the deep stuff will always stick around longer.

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:46 pm

that and there are very few crossover artists or people who focus not just on one subgenre, but as a whole who are good at it all
16bit are one of the few dubstep wise i can think of that have done both deeper and heavier shit well and not just cliche sounds

and jaydot honestly most of these remixes are disposable as hell (especially ones that never see release), save a few, it's why i recognized mt eden straight jacked a pharoah monche remix for example as i deemed it such a good remix i bought it on wax and never resold it

JemGrover · Post by **JemGrover** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:54 pm

jaydot wrote:
JemGrover wrote:Eee, this is going to get messy...
Why? Everytime I see you post on here it's to flame someone's thread, just answer the goddamn question, it's a perfectly legitimate question intended to spark debate, what's wrong with you?

Not sure how you can say that I 'flame' people. I happen to think I'm quite polite, mate

Quite sure you'll find me sticking up for one of your threads a while back, so don't get arsey....

Of course it's a legit question, but this thing is always hinted on here and just descends into a lot of mud flinging. If anything, the Brostep comp was proof enough nothing is as easy as people make out, although judging from the latest comp, which was pretty much exclusively NON-Brostep the standard was a lot higher which suggests a) Heavy stuff is harder to do or B) (and I'm more inclined to believe this) Harder stuff attracts relative beginners who're less experienced.

So, uh, in short... nothing's wrong with me. Breathe, dude. It was just a sentance.

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:59 pm

the funny thing is a regard my unique wobble and dancefloor sounding stuff that people liked as amateur now when it comes to my production standards
i mean take like

vs

i still make all over the board, but it seems a lot less involved to make a dance hit that a successful deeper tune

Dystinkt · Post by **Dystinkt** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:09 pm

deadly habit wrote:well now that i've played the moderate card disclaimer
look at the shelf life on the stuff you'd call deep or heavy, vs the dancefloor oriented or bro stuff
same can apply to any genre, you don't hear too many dance oriented stuff being regarded as timeless or popping up in mixes after a few months

If you throw enough shit some sticks

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:26 pm

theres def some tunes dance wise that have stuck but are worth a damn
hell tc wheres my money caspa remix, coki spongebob etc
but it takes a good standout tune regardless to do it

paravrais · Post by **paravrais** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:27 pm

The musical side of 'deep' is harder but the production side of 'heavy' is harder.

Also, can I just say how glad I am that Jaydot is posting threads again. It wasn't feeling the same around here

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:29 pm

yea it amazes me sometimes some of the deeper stuff that gets rated that sounds like general midi sounds, but has amazing musical composition
personally i don't think a lot of that should get such acclaim, but does

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:34 pm

it's far easier to produce than write.

the majority of le bro is super-produced, much like d&b was in 2005... there ya go.

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:40 pm

Sharmaji wrote:it's far easier to produce than write.

the majority of le bro is super-produced, much like d&b was in 2005... there ya go.

thank you, you summed it up
so many quality dnb "duos" that were one half engineer/producer and one half musician who split and engineer side went nowhere or had maybe one or two failed releases while partner learned to produce and moved on to quality and having a name

jsills · Post by **jsills** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:43 pm

deadly habit wrote:
Sharmaji wrote:it's far easier to produce than write.

the majority of le bro is super-produced, much like d&b was in 2005... there ya go.
thank you, you summed it up
so many quality dnb "duos" that were one half engineer/producer and one half musician who split and engineer side went nowhere or had maybe one or two failed releases while partner learned to produce and moved on to quality and having a name

musicians and producers are very different things.

paravrais · Post by **paravrais** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:45 pm

Sharmaji wrote:it's far easier to produce than write.

the majority of le bro is super-produced, much like d&b was in 2005... there ya go.

Bingo.

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:45 pm

ah tunes i forgotten i bought when they first came out

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