how do you make a tune sound bigger

krrs24 · Post by **krrs24** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:54 pm

serox · Post by **serox** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:57 pm

I push the bigger button!

dddemain · Post by **dddemain** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:09 pm

my my
EDIT: http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=179720

paravrais · Post by **paravrais** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:12 pm

What an incredibly shrewd way of creating a feedback thread that doesn't look like a feedback thread...

Seen it all before, jog on.

Original Face · Post by **Original Face** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:58 pm

It's a big topic but here's a brief summary of some key issues:

Frequency range:
Use the full range of frequencies from deep lows to shiny highs. Use saturation effects (e.g. tube amplifiers) to add harmonics and subtly fatten drums, synths etc.

Depth:
Add depth by applying reverb and delay to some of your sounds. (A flat-sounding mix will never sound big.)

Panning:
Pan some of your sounds left and right to expand the width of your mix. Experiment with widening effects (stereo chorus, stereo phaser/flanger, as well as dedicated widening FX) but make sure your mix is mono-compatible.

krrs24 · Post by **krrs24** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:41 pm

@original face. Wow that's alot of info thanks.Is it wise to use a stereo ?

bubblypatrick · Post by **bubblypatrick** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:24 pm

Stereo image the prominent sounds (not too much)
reverb and delay
Look up harmonic exciters
research compression

Ongelegen · Post by **Ongelegen** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:33 pm

a good mixdown

alphacat · Post by **alphacat** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:36 pm

Everything louder than everything else.

paravrais · Post by **paravrais** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:44 pm

Send synths to audio channels then apply different panning/fx to each channel to phatten up a sound.

WeBang · Post by **WeBang** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:30 pm

This seems to work for me and could be totally wrong!!!!

FIrst thing is making your sounds. I used ableton. I tend to not let any of my main track volumes go above 50% except my drums. reason for this is the more sounds you add the higher your master volume becomes and if your getting a professional master they need -3DB of head room.

so next thing is a good mix down of all your sounds. Eqing, fx what ever just make sure your frequencies are not clashing.

so now you have a track with atleast -3db head room maybe even more then -3.

I like to use Ozone Izotope for self mastering until my track gets to the real studio. Alot of people don't like Ozone Izotope but me I love it and it does the job for self mastering. THIS IS HOW I BEEF UP MY SOUND.

there are plenty of presets you can try out and mess with me I like to use either gental tube or a bit warmer or nothing and make my own mastering preset.

first EQing on the master alot of times I add a little high end to brighten it up.
Second reverb. I use subtle reverb to kind of fill in space
3rd multiband - this is all done by ear I can't get into details because i just use it according to how it sounds to my ear
4th maximizer - This is where you beef up your track by taking the volum and bascially having it make the sound louder with out going into the red. becareful it can smash your track up a little and make it mushy if done wrong.

best thing is to work with presets first like Gentle tube and also bit warmer. just to get an idea how things work.

Hope that helps.

Kes-Es · Post by **Kes-Es** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:56 pm

I use Viagra.

paravrais · Post by **paravrais** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:58 pm

We Bang wrote:This seems to work for me and could be totally wrong!!!!

FIrst thing is making your sounds. I used ableton. I tend to not let any of my main track volumes go above 50% except my drums. reason for this is the more sounds you add the higher your master volume becomes and if your getting a professional master they need -3DB of head room.

so next thing is a good mix down of all your sounds. Eqing, fx what ever just make sure your frequencies are not clashing.

so now you have a track with atleast -3db head room maybe even more then -3.

I like to use Ozone Izotope for self mastering until my track gets to the real studio. Alot of people don't like Ozone Izotope but me I love it and it does the job for self mastering. THIS IS HOW I BEEF UP MY SOUND.

there are plenty of presets you can try out and mess with me I like to use either gental tube or a bit warmer or nothing and make my own mastering preset.

first EQing on the master alot of times I add a little high end to brighten it up.
Second reverb. I use subtle reverb to kind of fill in space
3rd multiband - this is all done by ear I can't get into details because i just use it according to how it sounds to my ear
4th maximizer - This is where you beef up your track by taking the volum and bascially having it make the sound louder with out going into the red. becareful it can smash your track up a little and make it mushy if done wrong.

best thing is to work with presets first like Gentle tube and also bit warmer. just to get an idea how things work.

Hope that helps.

Bad advice IMO. Very bad advice...

If your adding high end to your master, you've fucked something up in your mix.

dddemain · Post by **dddemain** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:12 pm

paravrais wrote: If your adding high end to your master, you've fucked something up in your mix.

:s I would take this with a pinch of salt.

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:22 pm

as always, boatloads of misinformation on DSF.

to make a tune sound bigger:

#1, read the moneyshot thread and get your gain structure in order so that you have room to work w/ this stuff.

#2. start with a a balance of big vs. small-- big bassline, small hihat, etc.

#3: balance of dynamics. some things pop out and smack you, others sit back. 75% of this is where your faders are sitting; the rest is dynamic control via compression and limiting.

#4. ambience. sounds don't exist in a vaccum (unless that's what you're looking for). use various reverbs for different elements. Some completely dry (kick, maybe... sub, usually), some w/ short reverbs for tone (snare, perhaps), some getting sent to a long, 3-second thing (vocals, fx), etc.

#5. EQ. people overdo this like crazy, but give each element its place in the mix. some things need to be back, some need to stick out, and you don't need accidental sub in your shakers.

#6-- panning. the wider out in the field something is, the quieter it can be, and the more headroom you've gained.

rather than #7, let's make the next one #3b and call it "compressing multiple sources for entertainment and profit."

now for the love of god, this 800mb download has to end soon or else i'm gonna start treatising on a bunch of other posts

jaydot · Post by **jaydot** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:40 pm

This potentially useless thread has turned out some good info and advice.

WeBang · Post by **WeBang** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:00 pm

paravrais wrote:
We Bang wrote:This seems to work for me and could be totally wrong!!!!

FIrst thing is making your sounds. I used ableton. I tend to not let any of my main track volumes go above 50% except my drums. reason for this is the more sounds you add the higher your master volume becomes and if your getting a professional master they need -3DB of head room.

so next thing is a good mix down of all your sounds. Eqing, fx what ever just make sure your frequencies are not clashing.

so now you have a track with atleast -3db head room maybe even more then -3.

I like to use Ozone Izotope for self mastering until my track gets to the real studio. Alot of people don't like Ozone Izotope but me I love it and it does the job for self mastering. THIS IS HOW I BEEF UP MY SOUND.

there are plenty of presets you can try out and mess with me I like to use either gental tube or a bit warmer or nothing and make my own mastering preset.

first EQing on the master alot of times I add a little high end to brighten it up.
Second reverb. I use subtle reverb to kind of fill in space
3rd multiband - this is all done by ear I can't get into details because i just use it according to how it sounds to my ear
4th maximizer - This is where you beef up your track by taking the volum and bascially having it make the sound louder with out going into the red. becareful it can smash your track up a little and make it mushy if done wrong.

best thing is to work with presets first like Gentle tube and also bit warmer. just to get an idea how things work.

Hope that helps.
Bad advice IMO. Very bad advice...

If your adding high end to your master, you've fucked something up in your mix.

I am not a professional master of any sorts. I make tunes and before they go off to labels I self master so I can play them out. This works for some tracks and doesn't for others. It's not Very bad advice......it all depends on what the mix sounds like when adding a mastering suite to your master channel. Sometimes you may need to boost up certain areas

Cr0fty · Post by **Cr0fty** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:38 pm

Read the Gain Structure thread* .

& compare with tunes brought down to your tune's level

*http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=74832

macc · Post by **macc** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:20 am

Sharmaji smacks it once again. Especially;

Sharmaji wrote: #5. EQ. people overdo this like crazy

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