Horizon: Science Under Attack

Motorway to Roswell · Post by **Motorway to Roswell** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:02 pm

Anyone else watch this tonight?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... er_Attack/

Interesting topic to cover.

It basically concluded that scientists seem to operate in a bubble, work on stuff in relative secrecy, unveil it and expect the public to just accept it.

There's very little direct communication between the public and the scientific community. It's mostly filtered through the media which alters things for its own ends (often political), so the public recieves a very skewed interpretation of what's going on.

64hz · Post by **64hz** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:06 pm

sounds good, bookmarked

firky · Post by **firky** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:16 pm

Same but different and IMO better, Brian Cox Lecture - Science: A Challenge to TV Orthodoxy (1/3):

The Royal Television Society Huw Wheldon Memorial Lecture
01 December 2010 BBC2

Professor Brian Cox uses this year's Huw Wheldon Memorial Lecture to address the main challenges in bringing science to television. He tackles the risks in simplifying science for a television audience, the perils of abandoning fact in the name of balance and the importance of making science on television intellectually and emotionally engaging.

Capture pt · Post by **Capture pt** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:32 pm

gonna watch horizon and that brian cox lecture tomorrow night, cheers for posting.

love me some science docu

Motorway to Roswell · Post by **Motorway to Roswell** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:36 pm

firky wrote:Same but different and IMO better, Brian Cox Lecture - Science: A Challenge to TV Orthodoxy (1/3):

The Royal Television Society Huw Wheldon Memorial Lecture
01 December 2010 BBC2

Professor Brian Cox uses this year's Huw Wheldon Memorial Lecture to address the main challenges in bringing science to television. He tackles the risks in simplifying science for a television audience, the perils of abandoning fact in the name of balance and the importance of making science on television intellectually and emotionally engaging.

I'll give that a watch sometime this week. Cheers.

kay · Post by **kay** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:47 pm

Cheers for posting. It's all too true, and it's not always the non-scientists who are to blame. Drawing useful information out of a scientist is sometimes harder than squeezing water out of a rock. And I have to do that on a semi-daily basis.

64hz · Post by **64hz** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:50 pm

im watching the brian cox one now, its very good, raises many great points.
got lots of repsect for brian cox, this adds to it.

wubstep · Post by **wubstep** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:11 am

science isnt real neway,

Shum · Post by **Shum** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:45 am

Cheers for posting that lecture Firky.

cityzen · Post by **cityzen** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:59 am

Motorway to Roswell wrote:It basically concluded that scientists seem to operate in a bubble, work on stuff in relative secrecy, unveil it and expect the public to just accept it.

There's very little direct communication between the public and the scientific community.

Unless in the context of global warming/food shortage/drinking water shortage, I fail to see the problem with this.

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:01 am

most of the research papers and such are very publicly available and published in journals etc
shame the media and general public can't be assed to read em until there's been some big break through

hell i follow universetoday.com religiously since the general media covers next to nil when it comes to space and research

the general public doesn't care unless there is results, they don't tend to care about how those result came about or the science behind them

firky · Post by **firky** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:24 am

Shum wrote:Cheers for posting that lecture Firky.

He's that rare blend of charismatic, insanely clever and slightly eccentric. Brilliant spokesman and scientist.

ahier · Post by **ahier** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:32 am

firky wrote:
Shum wrote:Cheers for posting that lecture Firky.
He's that rare blend of charismatic, insanely clever and slightly eccentric. Brilliant spokesman and scientist.

and the ladies love him...

Motorway to Roswell · Post by **Motorway to Roswell** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:35 am

cityzen wrote:
Motorway to Roswell wrote:It basically concluded that scientists seem to operate in a bubble, work on stuff in relative secrecy, unveil it and expect the public to just accept it.

There's very little direct communication between the public and the scientific community.
Unless in the context of global warming/food shortage/drinking water shortage, I fail to see the problem with this.

The main focus was climate change and GM crops.

Who said it was a problem? That's just how it is currently.

Motorway to Roswell · Post by **Motorway to Roswell** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:36 am

deadly habit wrote:most of the research papers and such are very publicly available and published in journals etc
shame the media and general public can't be assed to read em until there's been some big break through

hell i follow universetoday.com religiously since the general media covers next to nil when it comes to space and research

the general public doesn't care unless there is results, they don't tend to care about how those result came about or the science behind them

Yeah. Apathy plays a massive part in it. It's a shame they didn't cover it in the documentary.

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:42 am

Youre forgetting one key part of scientific and medical journals, and that is that they serve as a proving ground for challenging new findings. You dont get published in a scientific journal of any repute, unless you have credentials to support yourself.

Just as in phd or thesis work, the idea that you have to defend your thesis or theory in front of a peer group, means that theres at the minimum, a scholarly level of critique involved. Thats why journals are held in such high regard and by default are competitive to get published in.

Motorway to Roswell · Post by **Motorway to Roswell** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:43 am

cityzen wrote:
Motorway to Roswell wrote:It basically concluded that scientists seem to operate in a bubble, work on stuff in relative secrecy, unveil it and expect the public to just accept it.

There's very little direct communication between the public and the scientific community.
Unless in the context of global warming/food shortage/drinking water shortage, I fail to see the problem with this.

If there were a problem, it would be the line you missed out in your quote.

It's mostly filtered through the media which alters things for its own ends (often political), so the public recieves a very skewed interpretation of what's going on.

christophera · Post by **christophera** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:27 am

i was listening to marvin gaye what's going on when i opened the thread

christophera · Post by **christophera** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:29 am

also i haven't watched this episode but the one about reality was dope and i know you all heard me saying i told you so in your heads the whole time!

firky · Post by **firky** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:43 am

ahier wrote:
firky wrote:
Shum wrote:Cheers for posting that lecture Firky.
He's that rare blend of charismatic, insanely clever and slightly eccentric. Brilliant spokesman and scientist.
and the ladies love him...

Follow him on Twitter and see how women swoon for him. Yet when I mention I like cosmology to most birds I get a wry smile as they back away

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