New Zeitgeist

[seckle]

Seckle: The most serious person on the internet since 2005.

ooooooh.

[neon-dubz]

[christophera]

yeah seckle i don't know if you know this about me but i don't read your posts anymore

[christophera]

(it's because i think what you say is trash)

[christophera]

just an opinion though. not like i'm influential.

[noam]

you's should all lay off Seckle

you're only mad cos he banned boobs

[ruckus49]

y'all are idiots attacking something you have not even watched. there's no doom in zeitgeist. the only purpose of the film series is to offer proposed solutions to the perceived problems of the world. capitalist zealots like y'all are what's wrong with the world. fact.

2nd this. they're amateur videos, so of course they are full of errors, but the broader message is still important. anything that can give you an alternative perspective on the world is a good thing imo, even if it is "brain food for dummies." people need something to balance the capitalist war machine propaganda we swim in every day.


edit: i just watched the whole thing. it was great! if you think it is communist propaganda watch the last 45 mins or so, they address this argument directly. yes their proposed system is much closer to communism than what we have today, but the embrace of automation of the workforce combined with scientific global resource planning make it a much different beast than any political system ever theorized.

[capo ultra]

just because someone has an agenda doesn't mean they're Commies like

[Badman Juice]

lol google owned youtube leading the revolution

[koro inu]

you're only mad cos he banned boobs

well i've seen some today on the way to work, so he's not done a great job tbh.

[test_recordings]

I like some of the ideas, and is always worth thinking about.

But lots are a bit short sighted- far too much to mention from a film that long but one example they had was to grow crops in 50 story hydroponic vertical plots to solve food supply problems and not need fertilizers, at first seems a good idea....but how do those huge structures get there? Am pretty sure the mining, processing, construction and maintenance energy in= more than energy out.

If you are presenting solutions like that without any study into how it would really work in practice and which are not feasible with the technology we have you might as well come up with ideas like 'co2 emissions are killing the planet and we need more food, we should suck excess carbon out of the air to turn it into food'

I think right now they're just promoting the concept to generate interest to look in to the feasbility of the whole thing. Dubai has recently actually built a city in line with the concepts promoted by Zeitgeist and looks pretty damn neat, check it out: http://www.tgdaily.com/trendwatch-featu ... nable-city#.

I don't think growing food totally hydroponically is very clever though, agroecology looks a safer bet: why be stuck in a building when you've got the WHOLE earth to work with?

[christophera]

the best farming solution i've seen is that dude from TED who talks about farms where the animals live in the field and eat and shit in the field and it's a complete/closed ecosystem
http://www.ted.com/talks/michael_pollan ... _view.html

[fractal]

vertical urban farming ftw. sure it would cost in the beginning to make, but making it so people can get produce from their own city, minus the packaging, storing, shipping, etc... is a great idea. plus each vertical farm would generate jobs in the community. animals is a whole other story

[test_recordings]

vertical urban farming ftw. sure it would cost in the beginning to make, but making it so people can get produce from their own city, minus the packaging, storing, shipping, etc... is a great idea. plus each vertical farm would generate jobs in the community. animals is a whole other story

Or we could just spread out, decentralise and not pollute so much?

[Badman Juice]

would like to see vertical cow herds.

[Motorway to Roswell]

vertical urban farming ftw. sure it would cost in the beginning to make, but making it so people can get produce from their own city, minus the packaging, storing, shipping, etc... is a great idea. plus each vertical farm would generate jobs in the community. animals is a whole other story

Or we could just spread out, decentralise and not pollute so much?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_%28novel%29

[test_recordings]

the best farming solution i've seen is that dude from TED who talks about farms where the animals live in the field and eat and shit in the field and it's a complete/closed ecosystem
http://www.ted.com/talks/michael_pollan ... _view.html

He's right on point there

[manillathrilla]

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[noam]

vertical urban farming ftw. sure it would cost in the beginning to make, but making it so people can get produce from their own city, minus the packaging, storing, shipping, etc... is a great idea. plus each vertical farm would generate jobs in the community. animals is a whole other story

Or we could just spread out, decentralise and not pollute so much?

spread out to where? lol fair play in america but a lot of the land their is pretty much uninhabitable unless you want to live in the desert or start cutting down trees

here most of our rural land outside of cities is used for farming already