Dubstep production, is it mind control frequencies ?

[JemGrover]

this thread sucks.

Ah, you're obviously running some kind of anti-mind control cloaking device then...!

* Insert Twighlight Zone music here *

[thor_beatz]

What a quasi bunch of bullshit.

You talk about scientific questioning. If you have ever done any scientific study at all, why did you not look at it scientifically? Why ask dubsteppers (who are dumb enough to listen this travisty they call music) what they are getting from it? Your on a anthropology expedition son. That has nothing to do with mind control.

If you really were to scientifically explore any elements in what you might regard as mind control, first set the parameters that applies to musical mind control.

What you do is blabbering about sub sounds, volume, kode9... Nothing concrete. Just a vague quasi 'look at me' story mentioning bloody autechre to show you like 5/4 beats 'n bleeps like the next hipster.

I need frequency ranges, synced/rubato modulations, tempi, duration. Where's the science in your story?

Music has been evolving since we were able to pick up a stick and slam it wood. It started with rhythm. Now that was mind control. The village elderly had to give the folks (read pre historical dubsteppers) a reason why they felt like dancing. Why they wanted to bang a stick in a measured way (read tempo). Why did they have creative urges? It was because of god(s). They were told the god's needed praise. And so music was born. And so was dancing.

What the scientific explanation was behind this phenomena was a simple reason; when you have a tempo that is just a bit faster then your hartbeat your body responds to it. You get in to a physical and mental trance. http://shamanicdrumming.com/

After that we were able to hear harmonics. Due to multiple people singing in different tone. Our ears process information different while it evolves. Infact we are able to hear more musical information. Remember Bach? he was bound by rules by the church. Google devils note if you want to know about the mind control the church wanted to have.

What we considered to be out of tune or even devilish, is now considered normal, maybe a bit creepy - sad. These days we listen to electronic music and have just gotten out of the trance music (litterely an EM version of shaman drums) and exploring other fields as we go.

I am not a biologist, nor am I a neuroscientist. But I don't pretend to be one either. so please sir, admired scientist: what is your thesis on the subject? Not your look at me speech. Let's hear it. Show us what science and mind control is. When does a LFO tap into our brains? When is a sub altering our conscious?

If not, there is not much to answer accept: I like zhe wobbles.

[phrex]

i love this thread

[thor_beatz]

My longest response everrrr. Tad bit stoned and hungover

[tripwire22]

why link datsik when he is talking bout dubstep not being musical in his 1st post? we all kno brostep isnt musical half the time.



much better example to me

[Debaser1]

@Brainhopper: I'm Mr.Psychology and I totally agree! Surely our brains appropriate these really low end frequencies differently to say an every day bass guitar etc. I mean, we can have drastic thought on very high end frequencies so it must be the same for low right?
You could argue that soaring string lines that leave a lump in your throat show more activity in the amygdala right? - The area of the brain concerned by triggering emotions etc, so what about sub bass frequencies; or any frequencies for that matter!

You've given me a brilliant idea. For my uni course I will no doubt have to conduct research. I'm definitely going to explore this. Maybe take MRI or PET scans of the brain whilst playing different frequencies/style's of music. I'm excited already!!

I imagine this links into the 'ear fatigue' thread on here too. Loud sub bass - ear pain etc.

[BrainHopper]

What a quasi bunch of bullshit.

You talk about scientific questioning. If you have ever done any scientific study at all, why did you not look at it scientifically? Why ask dubsteppers (who are dumb enough to listen this travisty they call music) what they are getting from it? Your on a anthropology expedition son. That has nothing to do with mind control.

If you really were to scientifically explore any elements in what you might regard as mind control, first set the parameters that applies to musical mind control.

What you do is blabbering about sub sounds, volume, kode9... Nothing concrete. Just a vague quasi 'look at me' story mentioning bloody autechre to show you like 5/4 beats 'n bleeps like the next hipster.

I need frequency ranges, synced/rubato modulations, tempi, duration. Where's the science in your story?

Music has been evolving since we were able to pick up a stick and slam it wood. It started with rhythm. Now that was mind control. The village elderly had to give the folks (read pre historical dubsteppers) a reason why they felt like dancing. Why they wanted to bang a stick in a measured way (read tempo). Why did they have creative urges? It was because of god(s). They were told the god's needed praise. And so music was born. And so was dancing.

What the scientific explanation was behind this phenomena was a simple reason; when you have a tempo that is just a bit faster then your hartbeat your body responds to it. You get in to a physical and mental trance. http://shamanicdrumming.com/

After that we were able to hear harmonics. Due to multiple people singing in different tone. Our ears process information different while it evolves. Infact we are able to hear more musical information. Remember Bach? he was bound by rules by the church. Google devils note if you want to know about the mind control the church wanted to have.

What we considered to be out of tune or even devilish, is now considered normal, maybe a bit creepy - sad. These days we listen to electronic music and have just gotten out of the trance music (litterely an EM version of shaman drums) and exploring other fields as we go.

I am not a biologist, nor am I a neuroscientist. But I don't pretend to be one either. so please sir, admired scientist: what is your thesis on the subject? Not your look at me speech. Let's hear it. Show us what science and mind control is. When does a LFO tap into our brains? When is a sub altering our conscious?

If not, there is not much to answer accept: I like zhe wobbles.

Good answer this one.. although i doubt i seriously doubt i am young enough to be called your son...and your rant on my taste being pretentious is completely out of order. You dont know me well enough to judge this. But again even a hostile reaction is interesting, as this is not normal when enquiring on the nature of a new art form. Usually the art is explained to you, and open to all. So it leads me to suspect that group identity is the key, as people will fight for group identity.

If you want me get to the bare bones,I suppose the crux of the parameters for my proposal would come down to musicality vs group identity (and cultural leadership). i.e. Is one trading off against the other as these two basic human needs are often mixed in differing ratios as you rightly pointed out.

The musicality is lost because we simply have run out of means create new music thats good ? Lets face reality most people out there thinks dubstep sounds like a kid who is in the beginning stages of learning how to music a new form of music and hasn't got there yet. i.e. It sounds like i switched on my computer randomly dropped some samples and played around with a bass synth. There isn't even any meter in it. But like i said im going for the loud experience to see if there is something ive missed in the mind altering range at high volume..

So until that possible conversion experience...lets discuss politics in the face of an absence of good new music. Young people always have a strong need for their own group identity against what went previously...its natures way of keeping things moving...so theres something experimental called dubstep...that will do, even if its not fulfilling anybody at a musical level...it doesn't matter ...We still need something.

I dont want to get too political, at this stage i am still trying to understand whats musically good about this over a prolonged period of listening. There is no musical journey. Most of the aspects we understand about music and the brain appear to be missing. There is no definable meter.

"I need frequency ranges, synced/rubato modulations, tempi, duration. Where's the science in your story?"

perhaps you can tell me this. I had guessed that the shift in bass modulations was moving between the ranges which are popular in loud car ICE systems. 33hz to 100hz. There is a list of frequencies where we can identify, euphoria, breathlessness, heart and alteration in vision at certain volumes. IF these are found in a random sample of the most popular dubstep then that is one possible solution. Again i wont know till either somebody fills me in, or i come back from a good loud experience.

If we want to discuss the mechanics of sound and mind control, we can do that as well. I studied hypnotism briefly and did manage to get peoples hand stuck together, it was all about observation and syncing to somebodies reaction times which fall under range called event related potentials such as P300 (the brains burp and think point). You have to get good at stopping somebody from reacting to a stimuli before 300ms have passed. It throws a wobbler into the brain, whereby you can then take control. Is dubstep going for P300 or other ERPs which are associated purely in the audio range such as brainstem auditory evoked potentials. These can also be defined and looked at without much problem in any wave editor that has spectrum analysis.

but mind control is more complex than music. i.e. There are many targets into it from a sensory angle...but most of the topic is going out with the realms of music. You can use many types of music to induce trance, or suggestibility, but most of the operation to that state of mind is in areas of the brain not associated with music and a manifestation of problems within culture. Groups, cultures often seek mind control and identity to solve problems. Interestingly I notice Datsik taking the urban warfare clothing to a new level in the video posted here. Its an apocalyptic doomsday attire.

Are we getting geared up for that ?

Ok out of time for today.

[Eridu]

I suppose the crux of the parameters for my proposal would come down to

How do I get my sentences to be so filthy? I have microsoft word and complete works of William Shakespeare. (legit copies)

[jobbanaught]

Dubstep is a muical sensory input. The brain reacts to sensory input, often in an emotive way. Why call that mind control? Its no control, its an influence at the most.

And although i admit that Dubstep is limited in musical variations, this is not what it is about. The real question is: Can you dance? Hace you ever actually felt the bass?

[thor_beatz]

First of all why are you interested in something you think of as: "sounds like a kid who is in the beginning stages of learning how to music" (uhm how to music?)

The answer must be the reason why I think you're pretentious. Because; you are trying to give an explanation for a musical phenomena you think of as being infantile. Or because we get brainwashed to listen to it. Funny enough I tried to put that aspect in perspective by telling you about musical history. (electronic music is, in the scope of things, very 'young').

In any case, you have a long rant saying exactly nothing. I'd say drop the mind control element and make it your personal subjective social cultural exploration, because your talking about many things, nothing concrete and surely nothing scientific.

I asked you about parameters. You come back with another vague story. It would be interesting to see how the brain responds to any frequency. To see how it works with a beat, without, syncopated etc. Like suggested by someone above. You however are talking about politics. Bleh.

I don't fight for a group identity. Hell I don't think anyone would describe my music as dubstep. I do however get itchy fingers when I read a post on subject that is interesting, but full of weird assumptions and scientific hints without actually going in to the science.

besides it being shortsighted and pretentious imho, it's also full of contradictions . First you say:

so theres something experimental called dubstep...that will do, even if its not fulfilling anybody at a musical level...it doesn't matter ...We still need something.

Next sentence:

I dont want to get too political, at this stage i am still trying to understand whats musically good about this over a prolonged period of listening

Following your rhetoric you could say; I really like eating chips, it does not have any healthy nutritional value but that's ok, I still need something. I do however wonder whats good about not eating any nutritional foods.

You make a statement, denouncing something and blatantly manage to assume the very thing you disqualified one sentence earlier.

[Eridu]

I think the guy is trollin`. nickname brainhopper and the 1st thread he makes is about mind controlling frequencies in dubstep?

[Siderealdb]

[thor_beatz]

I think the guy is trollin`. nickname brainhopper and the 1st thread he makes is about mind controlling frequencies in dubstep?

yeah probl. it's just when people say "im a published scientist " (while referencing 2 kode9... ) I tend to go

[deadly_habit]

i'm a published scientist
my mom hung one of my papers on the fridge

[Siderealdb]

i'm a published scientist my mom hung one of my papers on the fridge

It did have a gold star sticker on it, so you know it's the real deal.

[deadly_habit]

it was my dissertation on why apple juice is yummy
gold star and a smiley face, WHAT!

[Siderealdb]

it was my dissertation on why apple juice is yummy
gold star and a smiley face, WHAT!

[ogunslinger]

why link datsik when he is talking bout dubstep not being musical in his 1st post? we all kno brostep isnt musical half the time.



much better example to me

because it was a joke. MENTALLLLLLLLLL

[thor_beatz]

Apple juice?

[deadly_habit]