Dubstep production, is it mind control frequencies ?

[Wrigzilla]

Bloody hell, imagine if this guy found out about grime, even the MCs admit to mind control...

[BrainHopper]

Ok

I can see where this is going, in group forum politics is really of no interest to me as a scientist and hobby musician. So im getting out this one before it goes more sour than already. IF certain members want to take what I am doing personally, then that is your decision to do so.

The question here was genuine enough on two fronts for me. So I am going to leave with this explanation of why I approached this topic.

My published field is magnetic structure of the neocortex in neurodevelopment which culminated most recently in interest from Michael Persinger (inventor of the God helmet). My results on cortex dipole structure explain how his helmet works…but I am not getting into that.

And for relaxation I have always played, made enjoyed music of almost every genre.

These two areas often cross paths. For example the magnetic pulses used in the god helmet, may have correlations with musical pulses and similar effects to those may be induced by standing audio waves…if they are loud enough to interfere with synaptic function that is. It requires a fair bit of volume, depending on the individual of course.

I have been discussing this subject with Adam Raynor of talk audio who you might know caused earthquake type seismic readings when has asked every major ICE rig to converge their systems on a particular bass frequency at a racetrack last year. The frequencies of all these systems could not sync so they cross modulated. They induced all the usual bass neurological effects except fear (as they didn’t go sub 20hz)..and Adam considers it was like a religious experience. A peak in his life. He also states that he thinks this interferes with synaptic function, although this is just subjective as he didn’t take fMRI to the racetrack.

Again Persingers work on neuromagnetics investigates similar “haunting” and “religious” experience type phenomena …and these are linked to seismic activity as well as the patterns they fire into the god helmet. So the point is it appears that loud bass systems can have a similar piezeoelectromechanic effect on neurons (or axons, astrocytes etc) to persingers magnetic pulses in the brain…in the brains own language which is neuromagnetic at low frequencies.

I had a concept to build an audio rig to use standing waves that play Persingers patterns, by building an environment with certain nodes in the space. I then wondered if Dubstep was already doing this when played on a loud in car system or extremely loud sub bass rig. Having fine control over the newly emerged low frequency digital oscillators which retain attack integrity and dynamics at high DB levels while being mixed might do this. The benefit of this concept would be that exploring this area means people can experience persinger experiences in an audio space without having to all sit in a room wearing magnetic pulsing equipment. It would not sound musical by the means we know, but it would be a shared experience.

The above aspects I discussed are also linked to mind control. Religious experiences, haunting experiences…again same brain mechanisms, which are a very important part of our group evolution to build the word we have. But whether you take this term personally depends on where you are with this topic. As humans we require a certain degree of mind control to function is what i am saying. Too much obviously leads to oppression.

Lastly this mind control aspect would not be solely limited to dubstep. Many types of music can have this effect, but it was interesting the similarities between dubstep and the above phenomena. Dubstep could be getting into the brains primary language. The fact that the music uses phase shifts in the low frequencies is indicative of this, as phase relaxation then phase locking at these sub frequencies (think steve reich to understand music going in and out of phase) are known in neuroscience EEG research to be how the brains emotional and sensory systems integrate.


To wrap this up, there is no way of knowing till I expose myself at full volume to dubstep. The in group thing here (itself a form of mutally agreed mind control and secretiveness ) is obviously not willing to explore a conducive discussion of this topic…such as actually proposing examples of good dubstep to be exposed to at high volumes, what the music does for you etc etc. None of this has been discussed, after being asked....and from the above comments looks unlikely to be so .

Having said that if anybody finds any of the above interesting but does not want to admit it publicly and would like to inform me of good examples of what this music is about, or inform me of good places to experience this emerging style then send me a PM.

I will revisit this site to read that. There is no further point in this interaction, so am turning of my subscription to this thread.

[ogunslinger]

Ok

I can see where this is going, in group forum politics is really of no interest to me as a scientist and hobby musician. So im getting out this one before it goes more sour than already. IF certain members want to take what I am doing personally, then that is your decision to do so.

The question here was genuine enough on two fronts for me. So I am going to leave with this explanation of why I approached this topic.

My published field is magnetic structure of the neocortex in neurodevelopment which culminated most recently in interest from Michael Persinger (inventor of the God helmet). My results on cortex dipole structure explain how his helmet works…but I am not getting into that.

And for relaxation I have always played, made enjoyed music of almost every genre.

These two areas often cross paths. For example the magnetic pulses used in the god helmet, may have correlations with musical pulses and similar effects to those may be induced by standing audio waves…if they are loud enough to interfere with synaptic function that is. It requires a fair bit of volume, depending on the individual of course.

I have been discussing this subject with Adam Raynor of talk audio who you might know caused earthquake type seismic readings when has asked every major ICE rig to converge their systems on a particular bass frequency at a racetrack last year. The frequencies of all these systems could not sync so they cross modulated. They induced all the usual bass neurological effects except fear (as they didn’t go sub 20hz)..and Adam considers it was like a religious experience. A peak in his life. He also states that he thinks this interferes with synaptic function, although this is just subjective as he didn’t take fMRI to the racetrack.

Again Persingers work on neuromagnetics investigates similar “haunting” and “religious” experience type phenomena …and these are linked to seismic activity as well as the patterns they fire into the god helmet. So the point is it appears that loud bass systems can have a similar piezeoelectromechanic effect on neurons (or axons, astrocytes etc) to persingers magnetic pulses in the brain…in the brains own language which is neuromagnetic at low frequencies.

I had a concept to build an audio rig to use standing waves that play Persingers patterns, by building an environment with certain nodes in the space. I then wondered if Dubstep was already doing this when played on a loud in car system or extremely loud sub bass rig. Having fine control over the newly emerged low frequency digital oscillators which retain attack integrity and dynamics at high DB levels while being mixed might do this. The benefit of this concept would be that exploring this area means people can experience persinger experiences in an audio space without having to all sit in a room wearing magnetic pulsing equipment. It would not sound musical by the means we know, but it would be a shared experience.

The above aspects I discussed are also linked to mind control. Religious experiences, haunting experiences…again same brain mechanisms, which are a very important part of our group evolution to build the word we have. But whether you take this term personally depends on where you are with this topic. As humans we require a certain degree of mind control to function is what i am saying. Too much obviously leads to oppression.

Lastly this mind control aspect would not be solely limited to dubstep. Many types of music can have this effect, but it was interesting the similarities between dubstep and the above phenomena. Dubstep could be getting into the brains primary language. The fact that the music uses phase shifts in the low frequencies is indicative of this, as phase relaxation then phase locking at these sub frequencies (think steve reich to understand music going in and out of phase) are known in neuroscience EEG research to be how the brains emotional and sensory systems integrate.


To wrap this up, there is no way of knowing till I expose myself at full volume to dubstep. The in group thing here (itself a form of mutally agreed mind control and secretiveness ) is obviously not willing to explore a conducive discussion of this topic…such as actually proposing examples of good dubstep to be exposed to at high volumes, what the music does for you etc etc. None of this has been discussed, after being asked....and from the above comments looks unlikely to be so .

Having said that if anybody finds any of the above interesting but does not want to admit it publicly and would like to inform me of good examples of what this music is about, or inform me of good places to experience this emerging style then send me a PM.

I will revisit this site to read that. There is no further point in this interaction, so am turning of my subscription to this thread.

fool u trollin

lamb dont like trolls.

[therzbm]

Having said that if anybody finds any of the above interesting but does not want to admit it publicly and would like to inform me of good examples of what this music is about, or inform me of good places to experience this emerging style then send me a PM.

now you mention that you should have just said 'wut r ur fav tunes 2 brock out 2' then you might have got what you wanted

[deadly_habit]

still have yet to see a link or a name to what/where you're published in/as

[JemGrover]

Ok

I can see where this is going, in group forum politics is really of no interest to me as a scientist and hobby musician. So im getting out this one before it goes more sour than already. IF certain members want to take what I am doing personally, then that is your decision to do so.

The question here was genuine enough on two fronts for me. So I am going to leave with this explanation of why I approached this topic.

My published field is magnetic structure of the neocortex in neurodevelopment which culminated most recently in interest from Michael Persinger (inventor of the God helmet). My results on cortex dipole structure explain how his helmet works…but I am not getting into that.

And for relaxation I have always played, made enjoyed music of almost every genre.

These two areas often cross paths. For example the magnetic pulses used in the god helmet, may have correlations with musical pulses and similar effects to those may be induced by standing audio waves…if they are loud enough to interfere with synaptic function that is. It requires a fair bit of volume, depending on the individual of course.

I have been discussing this subject with Adam Raynor of talk audio who you might know caused earthquake type seismic readings when has asked every major ICE rig to converge their systems on a particular bass frequency at a racetrack last year. The frequencies of all these systems could not sync so they cross modulated. They induced all the usual bass neurological effects except fear (as they didn’t go sub 20hz)..and Adam considers it was like a religious experience. A peak in his life. He also states that he thinks this interferes with synaptic function, although this is just subjective as he didn’t take fMRI to the racetrack.

Again Persingers work on neuromagnetics investigates similar “haunting” and “religious” experience type phenomena …and these are linked to seismic activity as well as the patterns they fire into the god helmet. So the point is it appears that loud bass systems can have a similar piezeoelectromechanic effect on neurons (or axons, astrocytes etc) to persingers magnetic pulses in the brain…in the brains own language which is neuromagnetic at low frequencies.

I had a concept to build an audio rig to use standing waves that play Persingers patterns, by building an environment with certain nodes in the space. I then wondered if Dubstep was already doing this when played on a loud in car system or extremely loud sub bass rig. Having fine control over the newly emerged low frequency digital oscillators which retain attack integrity and dynamics at high DB levels while being mixed might do this. The benefit of this concept would be that exploring this area means people can experience persinger experiences in an audio space without having to all sit in a room wearing magnetic pulsing equipment. It would not sound musical by the means we know, but it would be a shared experience.

The above aspects I discussed are also linked to mind control. Religious experiences, haunting experiences…again same brain mechanisms, which are a very important part of our group evolution to build the word we have. But whether you take this term personally depends on where you are with this topic. As humans we require a certain degree of mind control to function is what i am saying. Too much obviously leads to oppression.

Lastly this mind control aspect would not be solely limited to dubstep. Many types of music can have this effect, but it was interesting the similarities between dubstep and the above phenomena. Dubstep could be getting into the brains primary language. The fact that the music uses phase shifts in the low frequencies is indicative of this, as phase relaxation then phase locking at these sub frequencies (think steve reich to understand music going in and out of phase) are known in neuroscience EEG research to be how the brains emotional and sensory systems integrate.


To wrap this up, there is no way of knowing till I expose myself at full volume to dubstep. The in group thing here (itself a form of mutally agreed mind control and secretiveness ) is obviously not willing to explore a conducive discussion of this topic…such as actually proposing examples of good dubstep to be exposed to at high volumes, what the music does for you etc etc. None of this has been discussed, after being asked....and from the above comments looks unlikely to be so .

Having said that if anybody finds any of the above interesting but does not want to admit it publicly and would like to inform me of good examples of what this music is about, or inform me of good places to experience this emerging style then send me a PM.

I will revisit this site to read that. There is no further point in this interaction, so am turning of my subscription to this thread.

Um.
Not going to pretend I understand half of this, but I've no qualms about publicly admitting to finding it a worthwhile read.
It does seem like an extraordinary field of work to be involved in. Can't understand why people react so negatively to this, considering the potential.

But nevertheless. Just listen to Burial.

[Sharmaji]

2 comments:

#1 -- 120db? most venues top out at 105, maybe 106. 120db is nearly two times as loud as that. Let's get realistic. You can have a small dark room with a dozen people in there, and if there's enough low end, 90db is fine.

#2-- and following that, you need to separate the actual, phsyiological experience (which may or may not exist) from the phsychological/experiential/epistemological one that makes the social setting relevant. All these are getting muddied up in your questions. You wanna do science, let's get scientific as, while the topic could be phrased better, its an interesting concept.

[3za]

Thats why I wear a tin foil hat at raves

[ogunslinger]

Thats why I wear a tin foil hat at raves

[nowaysj]

I was going to give this "person" the benefit of the doubt after the first post, just assumed they were stoned or something. The language was so contrived, and the ideas so poorly formed and articulated. But the rest of it. Pure trollin. Suck a dick scientist.

[deadly_habit]

[Debaser1]

Jesus give him a break. I'm intrigued by this.

[nowaysj]

the crux of the parameters for my proposal would come down to musicality vs group identity (and cultural leadership). i.e. Is one trading off against the other as these two basic human needs are often mixed in differing ratios as you rightly pointed out.

The musicality is lost because we simply have run out of means create new music thats good ? Lets face reality most people out there thinks dubstep sounds like a kid who is in the beginning stages of learning how to music a new form of music and hasn't got there yet. i.e. It sounds like i switched on my computer randomly dropped some samples and played around with a bass synth. There isn't even any meter in it.

THAT is trollin, plain and simple. I like feeding trolls though, so you know, I'm game. Gotta say, we've had much better attempts around here. Trolly, can you step your game up? Go big, or go home.

[thor_beatz]

Tinfoil? I just read somewhere the God Helmet is all the rage.

I like the concept of finding out the science behind some aspects in low freq music.But I don't feel like listening to somebody who portraits himself as being academic and scientific while he clearly has no intention of actually gathering any scientific data. Nor could he produce proper answers to reasonable questions.

[CoreyGoesRawr]

pretty sure this makes more sense than op

[phrex]

pretty sure this makes more sense than op

i forgot all about htis video - thanks for reminding me

[CoreyGoesRawr]

pretty sure this makes more sense than op

i forgot all about htis video - thanks for reminding me

haha you're quite welcome.

[Siderealdb]

Look out Rachael Ray, Alton Brown, Paula Deen and Bobby Flay. This girls gonna make a killing at the food network.

[kHoff]

the fuck is this shit
too long; didnt read any of psychologykid/troll's novel
use a fucking analyzer on the EQ and you can control your frequencies without your mind, feels good man.
this just thread sounds like a bunch of voodoo mojo shit.

[ascent]