From Dubs to CD'S

[wolf89]

I just hope that new DJs coming up know how to mix vinyl. You can't say that you can mix until you can do it on vinyl in my opinion. Personally, I think its about using CDJs and vinyl together, CD for the tracks that would be tough to get cut in time for a set, and then vinyl to throw in as well. Dubstep always has been a vinyl culture, I don't think it will go. When dubstep starts to be played with digital controllers with auto-sync buttons and the like is when we need to start worrying.

Id rather have the vinyl than Serato any day as well, and back it up with CDs when necessary.

This is pretty on the money

[LA_Boxers]

I just hope that new DJs coming up know how to mix vinyl. You can't say that you can mix until you can do it on vinyl in my opinion. Personally, I think its about using CDJs and vinyl together, CD for the tracks that would be tough to get cut in time for a set, and then vinyl to throw in as well. Dubstep always has been a vinyl culture, I don't think it will go. When dubstep starts to be played with digital controllers with auto-sync buttons and the like is when we need to start worrying.

Id rather have the vinyl than Serato any day as well, and back it up with CDs when necessary.

This is pretty on the money

Agree with most of that. Although not sure about the ''cant mix until you can do it on vinyl'' part. Im sure pretty much everybody involved with dubstep would prefer to DJ on vinyl, but its just not do-able for some. Im a CDJ DJ, i had vinyl when i was about 15-18 (25 now) so technically i could DJ with vinyl, but i use CDs now due to not being able to afford, or have the space for vinyl. I would love to play out on purely vinyl but unfortunatly i cant. Totally agree about the digital controllers part though. Not really sure using serato vinyl is any 'better' than using CDs though?!

[dj phonetic]

for me its vinyl + cds for dubs

[oskar]

strictly vinyl!

cd's are just not real

but that is what i think of it

[Sheff]

I love my vinyl and I'll always keep my turntables no matter what, but I'm not stubborn enough to say I wouldn't own a Pioneer CDJ if I could afford it

[phrex]

when you buy vinyl or cut your plates you will be much, much more selective about what you play.
that's one reason why i'm sticking to the wax/acetate

[Sparxy]

Agree with most of that. Although not sure about the ''cant mix until you can do it on vinyl'' part. Im sure pretty much everybody involved with dubstep would prefer to DJ on vinyl, but its just not do-able for some. Im a CDJ DJ, i had vinyl when i was about 15-18 (25 now) so technically i could DJ with vinyl, but i use CDs now due to not being able to afford, or have the space for vinyl. I would love to play out on purely vinyl but unfortunatly i cant. Totally agree about the digital controllers part though. Not really sure using serato vinyl is any 'better' than using CDs though?!

This is exactly the same for me. I started on wax and can spin on it no problem but just found I couldn't keep with it anymore.

Buying vinyl isn't financially viable anymore. Yes I like vinyl, it's lovely to DJ with. But I find firstly that most of the clubs I play in thesedays have shitty decks that have been ABUSED. Secondly - vinyl degrades over time, can get scratched, get stuff spilt ont it, get lost, stolen... with CDs i've always got my files backed up in multiple places. It doesn't matter if I lose my entire CD wallet, I can still re-burn them all. Add to the fact I can get tunes as MP3s for under £2, vinyls cost upwards of £6 in most instances thesedays.

I don't want to spend money supporting a format / culture that isn't being supported by the clubs because simply put, I will be left behind!

[arktrix45hz]

I think the reason most Technics in clubs are shafted is because the CDJ heads use the tone arms to rest their open cd wallets on.

[Sparxy]

I think the reason most Technics in clubs are shafted is because the CDJ heads use the tone arms to rest their open cd wallets on.

The club i'm resident at doesn't even have Technics setup most of the time. It's sad really.

[charliefoy]

I think the only reason vinyl dj's (Youngsta, Hatcha ect.) have switched to cd's is because of the poor standard of vinyl turntables at clubs. Unless you're playing at a night where dj's are putting it on and know how important good equipment is, rather than dodgey promoters who don't give a shit, or really high end club like Fabric or something then the decks are probably going to be shit, not have been sound checked and have shit needles. Its so stressful having shit decks to play on because there is that chance that something is probably going to go wrong with them as they won't have really been looked after. I know you may not get the sound quality of vinyl on cd's but at least you'll have a little more confidence when playing out knowing that the decks aren't going to break on you, meaning you can do your job better. This is all my personal opinion, and while i love playing on vinyl at the moment i know that sometime soon I'm going to have to switch to cd's, I think I'm coming to terms with it haha.

[bolsty]

i agree on people treating the tech's like shit, i've seen so many people put their shit all up on the tone arm, heavy stuff on the platter etc.. (saw roof light put his laptop resting on the tone arm the other week).. fark

i'm at the point where i want to keep mixing vinyl but am sceptical, i'm missing out on heeps of shit that doesn't get pressed, i hate CDJ's they are hard to get the hang of, although i'd rather them then serato/traktor (seems like cheating for me with being able to see the hits, tempo, wav form etc.)..

I MAY , MAY buy a cdj, but i'd rather spend that money on discogs, buying classics! which is what i will probably do

[wooda916]

I dont care what anyone says, CDJ's take out 90% of the fun and skill of mixing.

and digital music encorages disposable music. A tune can easily rot away on a hardrive lost in the mire of ones and zeros. Theres nothing better than flicking through a crate of wax and digging out old gems. Especially when there a bit crackley. Vinyl also encourages you to look after and cherish the music.

Just my opinion ofcourse.

[pdomino]

Combination of storage problems and money.
Also, carrying 2 USB storage pens will be ...or already is, next.

[Be-1ne]

I think its really sad that places dont maintain their equipment, promoters dont take more pride in their events and that artists / DJ's are being dictated to what format they should play.

cutting dubs makes you more selective about what tracks your going to play. the whole digital thing is so throw away its really sad that people have such little attachment to something so artistic as music. The one question i would always ask is, if you had to invest in what you do and couldn't just download everything off the net for free, would you be doing what you do?

In most cases people would go, no i wouldnt invest and i dont give a shit as its free

:'(

[wooda916]

I think its really sad that places dont maintain their equipment, promoters dont take more pride in their events and that artists / DJ's are being dictated to what format they should play.

cutting dubs makes you more selective about what tracks your going to play. the whole digital thing is so throw away its really sad that people have such little attachment to something so artistic as music. The one question i would always ask is, if you had to invest in what you do and couldn't just download everything off the net for free, would you be doing what you do?

In most cases people would go, no i wouldnt invest and i dont give a shit as its free

:'(

Exactly.

[Forensics]

I used to play off vinyl in a live situation, but have just recently given up. CDs all the way now I'm afraid.

Sad that vinyl seems to be going down the pan. As people have said, it's much more of an art to play off vinyl. And more enjoyable to watch someone playing actual records. But yeah, clubs aren't maintaining their decks.

Mixing with CDs is still a lot less foreign to me than being buried in a laptop though, and it's all relative at the end of the day! And on the plus side - now that I'm not cutting dubplates, I can justify getting all my tracks mastered

[curly123]

Yeah there is definitely more sentimental value when it comes to wax, but as it is evident, promoters can't be that keen on wax if they're not looking after and setting up the decks properly.

cutting dubs makes you more selective about what tracks your going to play

<- can't agree with you more there, spot on

[charliefoy]

Yeah there is definitely more sentimental value when it comes to wax, but as it is evident, promoters can't be that keen on wax if they're not looking after and setting up the decks properly.

cutting dubs makes you more selective about what tracks your going to play

<- can't agree with you more there, spot on

I don't think its a case of them being keen on wax, its just that they can't be bothered to get decent decks and sound check them properly, I think

[Be-1ne]

Yeah there is definitely more sentimental value when it comes to wax, but as it is evident, promoters can't be that keen on wax if they're not looking after and setting up the decks properly.

cutting dubs makes you more selective about what tracks your going to play

<- can't agree with you more there, spot on

I don't think its a case of them being keen on wax, its just that they can't be bothered to get decent decks and sound check them properly, I think

^^ this.

[curly123]

I get what you're saying but, surely if your buisness relies on it you would make the effort? But fair play to dj's that have switched to cdj's because of clubs not setting up turntables properly, just wondered what other people had to add on the subject