FINISHED TRACKS FOR FEEDBACK IS NO MORE

[pete_bubonic]

GO AND LOOK HOW GLORIOUS THE DUBS FORUM LOOKS NOW.

BE-1NE

[SpungE]

good stuff

[juan]

Yea 1000 percentbrah

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[PR1NCE]

the damn Dub's forums is SLEEPING or something !???

ill literally get 35-40 views on my thread and ill have 1 ........... 1 damn response... and majority are of me just sayng bump seeking for help , criticizing , feedback, etc..

This forums needs to conduct some time to help artists out....

[SpungE]

To be completely blunt, the responsibility equally lies with the thread starters to make sure their stuff is worth posting in the first place. Every time someone posts something crap that's another thread cluttering the dub section. If no one leaves feedback it usually means they didn't like it.

People are better off not callin a track finished when it's sub par. Acknowledge it's far from finished and put it in the WiP thread where you're more likely to get a couple replies.

Now I feel like one of them bitches from 'mean girls'.

[wirez]

If you think your track is finished, then you obviously don't need feedback on your track.

What I mean by this is : If you call a track finished then you obviously are happy with it, if you're unsure and still need feedback, its a work in progress.

Come on bruv, you know this is cod really.

For producers who're slightly less confident in their production skills, it's still important to give them feedback on their finished tracks to help them sharpen up their perspective if what is really finished. - A lot of producers are just lazy and say "fuck it, that's done, I can't be bothered to work on this anymore"; I think they're the ones who benefit most from somebody telling them that this, that and this needs to be changed because they need to realise that they need to put full effort and dedication into their work in order to succeed.

Admittedly, when I say my track is done I know it's done and nothing is going to make me change my mind, but all feedback given was always taken into consideration for my next piece of work.

I personally am not for this dubs idea to be honest, I had a much more solid community in the feedback thread because people recognised each other and were willing to share feedback for those that they expected feedback from because they had received it before. Good luck getting this out of the dubs forum... Everything is constantly drowned, and although I respect the idea, the tags system seems to be making it worse.

I'm not going to lie, I had an audience and potential market in that thread and feel quite annoyed that you've taken that from me. Even 'swapsies' promo in there was better than the Dubs sections.

To be honest, I find it quite annoying that you've removed a whole section of community based on the fact that 2 of you have come to an arrangement, just because you two thought it wasn't working doesn't mean I thought so. Your two opinions should not be ruling this forum, you're moderators not dictators. - Look at this as feedback for your moderating if you will. I'm sure you've both done wicked things for the forum (I haven't been very active - other than in the Feedback threads, which is why I feel like you've basically removed the forum from under my feet) but a community only based on the decisions of few is not a community worth being involved with, I don't like to live like a pawn in any circumstance.

[legend4ry]

I think you're the one of the handful of people whos voicing their opinion about this... Ive had numerous complaints about the finished tracked thread and more about hating it than loving it and more support than anger in this thread.

[wirez]

Feel free to moan about this change, too .

I think you're the one of the handful of people whos voicing their opinion about this... Ive had numerous complaints about the finished tracked thread and more about hating it than loving it and more support than anger in this thread.

I'm entitled to my opinion and was provoked to expressing it

The point that I was making was not that the opinion was expressed, it was that those opinions were so quickly acted upon. - I was tempted to start my own 'FEEDBACK ON FINISHED TRACKS' thread but didn't because it's not my place to do so.

Why couldn't you have just left the threads running and still encouraged sorting out the Dubs section instead? Just all seems a bit rash and "we can do it so let's do it" to me

[legend4ry]

I know I said feel free to moan, doesn't mean I can't fight with what you said though

Its been in the process for ages, we was waiting for a proper mod in Dubs before we done this..


Back when it was me and Sharm' modding this idea was floating around. The threads were always a compromise.


Also, the way this is worded..

Me and pete have discussed this and have come to a conclusion.

If you think your track is finished, then you obviously don't need feedback on your track.

What I mean by this is : If you call a track finished then you obviously are happy with it, if you're unsure and still need feedback, its a work in progress.

Which basically means.....

POST ALL YOUR TRACKS IN WORK IN PROGRESS WHAT YOU AINT GIVING AWAY FREE BUT TRY AND WACK A THREAD UP IN DUBS ALSO!

But alas, no one seemed to get the semi-cryptic wording of it.

[Aquathesis]

He has a point whyrez, they have left one of the threads, and its heads like you giving out solid crit and advice that could make it worthwhile...

It boils down to semantics of the finished/wips tag at that point, so....

[wirez]

He has a point whyrez, they have left one of the threads, and its heads like you giving out solid crit and advice that could make it worthwhile...

It boils down to semantics of the finished/wips tag at that point, so....

Don't render your progress in the Dubs section so successful yet, you're using two accounts to keep yourself bumping you cheeky fucker.

[wirez]

I know I said feel free to moan, doesn't mean I can't fight with what you said though

Haha touche, for sure.

Back when it was me and Sharm' modding this idea was floating around. The threads were always a compromise.

Yep, yep. But I feel it was a good compromise. The thing that was so good about those threads was that they were a single thread and every time somebody posted something it bumped itself and emailed people, so it didn't render a load of threads inactive and falling down, down, down until you end up with no feedback. - Admittedly some people didn't get any feedback... But that's usually because they posted fuck all themselves! (My bets are they were the ones who complained to you!)

I don't like the idea of posting my finished tracks in a WIP section. I'm confident when my tracks are finished and don't need noobs telling me "turn the sub bass up"... "No mate, get a better sound system."

In all honesty, the thread was good promo for unreleased (or even released) content and I never had a problem with that. And it meant I got to share some knowledge with producers who aren't as experienced at the same time, without having to dart all over the place to different threads to do so. I'm sure you can appreciate that the time it takes to move between each of those threads all adds up to the point where I don't have time to give the dedication to somebody that I could have done.

[legend4ry]

So, you're pissed off cause you can't promote easier? *tuts*

[frank grimes jr.]

Honestly those threads were full of shit, and self indulgence.
At least in the dubs forum you can pick what you want to critique. Also, you have to be a member to get in. Makes it feel special!

[wirez]

So, you're pissed off cause you can't promote easier? *tuts*

Err, yes! I have a business to run here... Any easy promo is brilliant.

[pete_bubonic]

Cheers for the big input man.

Come on bruv, you know this is cod really.

For producers who're slightly less confident in their production skills, it's still important to give them feedback on their finished tracks to help them sharpen up their perspective if what is really finished. - A lot of producers are just lazy and say "fuck it, that's done, I can't be bothered to work on this anymore"; I think they're the ones who benefit most from somebody telling them that this, that and this needs to be changed because they need to realise that they need to put full effort and dedication into their work in order to succeed.

The feedback / 320 tags are more to indicate if people want detailed production feedback. For instance, i just put up a tune with a free320 tag because it's done. I won't be opening it up again, I'd still like to know if people like it and would play it. But i don't want people to spend a long time giving production feedback because it will go to waste. Conversely if someone puts feedback in the title, I'll deliberately spend a bit longer listening on different monitors and seeing if I can help the producer get to a better finished product.

Admittedly, when I say my track is done I know it's done and nothing is going to make me change my mind, but all feedback given was always taken into consideration for my next piece of work.

I personally am not for this dubs idea to be honest, I had a much more solid community in the feedback thread because people recognised each other and were willing to share feedback for those that they expected feedback from because they had received it before. Good luck getting this out of the dubs forum... Everything is constantly drowned, and although I respect the idea, the tags system seems to be making it worse.

The feedback thread was drawing all the production forum attention away from the dubs thread, we were duplicating the same shit in two seperate areas. The same ethos applies to the dubs forum, if you get feedback it's nice to return it. There will be more activity in there over the next month or two as we keep pushing people in there and making it more organised and having events in there (A&R feedback etc).

I'm not going to lie, I had an audience and potential market in that thread and feel quite annoyed that you've taken that from me. Even 'swapsies' promo in there was better than the Dubs sections.

That audience hasn't gone! The same people who leave feedback, the same producers and more will be present in the dubs forum.

To be honest, I find it quite annoying that you've removed a whole section of community based on the fact that 2 of you have come to an arrangement, just because you two thought it wasn't working doesn't mean I thought so.

First off, it wasn't just us two, secondly, just as we aren't the majority voice here, neither are you.

Your two opinions should not be ruling this forum, you're moderators not dictators. - Look at this as feedback for your moderating if you will. I'm sure you've both done wicked things for the forum (I haven't been very active - other than in the Feedback threads, which is why I feel like you've basically removed the forum from under my feet) but a community only based on the decisions of few is not a community worth being involved with, I don't like to live like a pawn in any circumstance.

I think this is massively over reacting, I can understand you're upset about losing your immediate portal to more audience and to change in general, no one likes it. Especially when it's the only section of the forum that you care about. But looking at the bigger picture, I, the other moderators and many members of this forum agree this is a good idea and worth the effort. It might all go tits up and return to the previous method. I'm fairly positive this is a good move though. We'll see how it plays out, if we come back to it in 3 months you can fully rub it in my face.

[wirez]

The feedback / 320 tags are more to indicate if people want detailed production feedback. For instance, i just put up a tune with a free320 tag because it's done. I won't be opening it up again, I'd still like to know if people like it and would play it. But i don't want people to spend a long time giving production feedback because it will go to waste. Conversely if someone puts feedback in the title, I'll deliberately spend a bit longer listening on different monitors and seeing if I can help the producer get to a better finished product.

Ok, you got me. If it works this will be nice.

So what if....

a.) I don't want production feedback.
b.) I'm not giving away a 320.
c.) I'm promoting a pre-release (as in, without a set-in-stone release date etc. whereby I could post on the tunes/releases board)

The feedback thread was drawing all the production forum attention away from the dubs thread, we were duplicating the same shit in two seperate areas. The same ethos applies to the dubs forum, if you get feedback it's nice to return it. There will be more activity in there over the next month or two as we keep pushing people in there and making it more organised and having events in there (A&R feedback etc).

Again this sounds good, but the fact that it's not a single thread is an issue in my opinion... People just aren't going to want to subscribe to the whole board, so things that were previously able to be sighted by chance in the Feedback thread may now be overlooked in its own thread.

That audience hasn't gone! The same people who leave feedback, the same producers and more will be present in the dubs forum.

Haha, it hadn't until you took the board down My last post before the one I wanted to post last night got more feedback than I've ever seen on the board! But providing those producers are still as active in the Dubs forum, it's fair play I suppose.

I've always tended to post Soundcloud feedback as opposed to forum though, it helps make your track look more listenable if your waveform is covered in comments! So now I may need to duplicate my feedback for one person so that their thread bumps and their Soundcloud looks appreciated. - This means that 1 less person per feedback session is going to get feedback from me, I just haven't got the time to give the detailed feedback I give TWICE to the same amount of people (even with c&p it's going to take enough time in excess to stop me being able to dedicate time to the same amount of people).

First off, it wasn't just us two, secondly, just as we aren't the majority voice here, neither are you.

Lol you've only heard my opinion voice, I dare you to test my persuasive 'majority' voice

I think this is massively over reacting, I can understand you're upset about losing your immediate portal to more audience and to change in general, no one likes it. Especially when it's the only section of the forum that you care about. But looking at the bigger picture, I, the other moderators and many members of this forum agree this is a good idea and worth the effort. It might all go tits up and return to the previous method. I'm fairly positive this is a good move though. We'll see how it plays out, if we come back to it in 3 months you can fully rub it in my face.

I pretty much stopped using the rest of the board because other members couldn't appreciate my dramatising attitude (all in good reason of course, no troll business). All the best with the development and progress of this idea. I deserve it

[nowaysj]

I do enjoy the English.

[boko91]

I think tracks just get lost in the work in progress thread coz it's just one massive thread. Needstobe set up like the dubs section

[deadly_habit]

The feedback / 320 tags are more to indicate if people want detailed production feedback. For instance, i just put up a tune with a free320 tag because it's done. I won't be opening it up again, I'd still like to know if people like it and would play it. But i don't want people to spend a long time giving production feedback because it will go to waste. Conversely if someone puts feedback in the title, I'll deliberately spend a bit longer listening on different monitors and seeing if I can help the producer get to a better finished product.

Ok, you got me. If it works this will be nice.

So what if....

a.) I don't want production feedback.
b.) I'm not giving away a 320.
c.) I'm promoting a pre-release (as in, without a set-in-stone release date etc. whereby I could post on the tunes/releases board)

a) it's still a dub
b) no one is forcing one or the other, but you're obviously asking for feedback of some sort even if you're just spamming a tune
c.) that's the music subforum